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[Micronet] Advice needed regarding database creation/upkeep

balonso
Greetings!

We are considering an update for the Issues & Responses section on
our website, http://ucbiotech.org. You can see it at
http://ucbiotech.org:8080/qilan/NewQASearch.jsp. It currently uses
Qilan, but it is pretty expensive (we have to pay $300 every year to
use it), and it is a bit clunky. As a result, we haven't been able to
easily update the data.

I had spoken with our programmer who had originally created the
database, and he is fluent with the Helix software. However that is
also cost-prohibitive.

An alternative we are considering is to go with something more
modern, like mySQL to create the database. Also, since it is just
straight text, the database file would be small as well.

Does anyone else here have a comparable database? What do you use? It
would have to be something where I could go in and easily update the
database.

Any advice you could provide would be very helpful. Thanks in advance
for your help!

Sincerely,

Barbara Alonso
Administrative Specialist

 
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Re: [Micronet] Advice needed regarding database creation/upkeep

Jonathan Felder
I've used mysql to develop a few applications of this nature.

For example:
http://database.path.berkeley.edu/reports

Adding information is as easy or hard as your programmer wants to make it.

In our case, our publications staff uses another program to keep track
of the information and then they export it to a tab delimited file which
I then import into the database by hand.

If you used a similar model, your programmer could make it easier by
having a web based import function which took the text file as an upload.

Alternatively they could develop a web based interface for
adding/editing data and you would just submit new entries directly.

On 5/19/2011 1:12 PM, Barbara Alonso wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> We are considering an update for the Issues&  Responses section on
> our website, http://ucbiotech.org. You can see it at
> http://ucbiotech.org:8080/qilan/NewQASearch.jsp. It currently uses
> Qilan, but it is pretty expensive (we have to pay $300 every year to
> use it), and it is a bit clunky. As a result, we haven't been able to
> easily update the data.
>
> I had spoken with our programmer who had originally created the
> database, and he is fluent with the Helix software. However that is
> also cost-prohibitive.
>
> An alternative we are considering is to go with something more
> modern, like mySQL to create the database. Also, since it is just
> straight text, the database file would be small as well.
>
> Does anyone else here have a comparable database? What do you use? It
> would have to be something where I could go in and easily update the
> database.
>
> Any advice you could provide would be very helpful. Thanks in advance
> for your help!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Barbara Alonso
> Administrative Specialist
>
>
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Re: [Micronet] Advice needed regarding database creation/upkeep

Karen Kato
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Hi Barbara-

After you hear from others on campus about their solutions and if you want
to check out MySQL, the Basic MySQL service offered by IST may be of
interest.  You can read more about it at:
http://ist.berkeley.edu/services/ds/db/mysql/basic 


Thanks,
Karen Kato

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barbara
Alonso
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 1:13 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Micronet] Advice needed regarding database creation/upkeep

Greetings!

We are considering an update for the Issues & Responses section on
our website, http://ucbiotech.org. You can see it at
http://ucbiotech.org:8080/qilan/NewQASearch.jsp. It currently uses
Qilan, but it is pretty expensive (we have to pay $300 every year to
use it), and it is a bit clunky. As a result, we haven't been able to
easily update the data.

I had spoken with our programmer who had originally created the
database, and he is fluent with the Helix software. However that is
also cost-prohibitive.

An alternative we are considering is to go with something more
modern, like mySQL to create the database. Also, since it is just
straight text, the database file would be small as well.

Does anyone else here have a comparable database? What do you use? It
would have to be something where I could go in and easily update the
database.

Any advice you could provide would be very helpful. Thanks in advance
for your help!

Sincerely,

Barbara Alonso
Administrative Specialist

 
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Re: [Micronet] Advice needed regarding database creation/upkeep

Ryan Lovett
Is there an O.E.-ish publication service that makes use of campus' web and
database platforms? I do not know how it is maintained but there is a
digital collection service at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/. We also
prepared our own paper submission and perusal web interface many years ago
and at one point there was an effort to move it to the library at
http://stat-reports.lib.berkeley.edu.

Ryan

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 01:46:09PM -0700, Karen Kato wrote:

> Hi Barbara-
>
> After you hear from others on campus about their solutions and if you want
> to check out MySQL, the Basic MySQL service offered by IST may be of
> interest.  You can read more about it at:
> http://ist.berkeley.edu/services/ds/db/mysql/basic 
>
>
> Thanks,
> Karen Kato
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barbara
> Alonso
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 1:13 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Micronet] Advice needed regarding database creation/upkeep
>
> Greetings!
>
> We are considering an update for the Issues & Responses section on
> our website, http://ucbiotech.org. You can see it at
> http://ucbiotech.org:8080/qilan/NewQASearch.jsp. It currently uses
> Qilan, but it is pretty expensive (we have to pay $300 every year to
> use it), and it is a bit clunky. As a result, we haven't been able to
> easily update the data.
>
> I had spoken with our programmer who had originally created the
> database, and he is fluent with the Helix software. However that is
> also cost-prohibitive.
>
> An alternative we are considering is to go with something more
> modern, like mySQL to create the database. Also, since it is just
> straight text, the database file would be small as well.
>
> Does anyone else here have a comparable database? What do you use? It
> would have to be something where I could go in and easily update the
> database.
>
> Any advice you could provide would be very helpful. Thanks in advance
> for your help!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Barbara Alonso
> Administrative Specialist

 
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Re: [Micronet] Advice needed regarding database creation/upkeep

Tomo O'BRIEN
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Once upon a time I ran my own db servers (FoxPro, Postgres & MySQL) but
I'm now a happy data center customer!  The DBAs are fantastic (Paul would
respond to emails in the middle of the night as I worked to get the
PeopleLocator MySQL DB running down at UCLA).  Very knowledgeable and
helpful staff and they take care of all the important administrivia (server
security, uptime, hardware, patches, etc.).



On Thu, 19 May 2011 13:46:09 -0700, "Karen Kato" <[hidden email]>
wrote:
> Hi Barbara-
>
> After you hear from others on campus about their solutions and if you
want

> to check out MySQL, the Basic MySQL service offered by IST may be of
> interest.  You can read more about it at:
> http://ist.berkeley.edu/services/ds/db/mysql/basic 
>
>
> Thanks,
> Karen Kato
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barbara
> Alonso
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 1:13 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Micronet] Advice needed regarding database creation/upkeep
>
> Greetings!
>
> We are considering an update for the Issues & Responses section on
> our website, http://ucbiotech.org. You can see it at
> http://ucbiotech.org:8080/qilan/NewQASearch.jsp. It currently uses
> Qilan, but it is pretty expensive (we have to pay $300 every year to
> use it), and it is a bit clunky. As a result, we haven't been able to
> easily update the data.
>
> I had spoken with our programmer who had originally created the
> database, and he is fluent with the Helix software. However that is
> also cost-prohibitive.
>
> An alternative we are considering is to go with something more
> modern, like mySQL to create the database. Also, since it is just
> straight text, the database file would be small as well.
>
> Does anyone else here have a comparable database? What do you use? It
> would have to be something where I could go in and easily update the
> database.
>
> Any advice you could provide would be very helpful. Thanks in advance
> for your help!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Barbara Alonso
> Administrative Specialist
>
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Re: [Micronet] Advice needed regarding database creation/upkeep

Greg Merritt
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On May 19, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Barbara Alonso wrote:

> It currently uses
> Qilan, but it is pretty expensive (we have to pay $300 every year to
> use it), and it is a bit clunky.


If your  programmer would spend more than about a day per year on a new setup, give or take, it's probably cost-effective to stay with what you have.

Of course, that won't help the clunky bit.

(If I were to toot the Drupal horn...I'd suggest a simple new content type with just a title and rich-text body -- that'd match what appears to be on the current site -- and a little twiddling to present a search box to look only through that content.  That should be well within a day's work, but you'd already need to be using Drupal!)

-Greg
 
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Re: [Micronet] Advice needed regarding database creation/upkeep

balonso
Thank you everyone who has replied! I will check out all the options presented here and the links you have all kindly provided. I have a message in to IST to see if the basic MySQL service will work for our needs.

Now for a newbie idiot question - difference between MySQL and Drupal? Apologies ahead of time for my ignorance!
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Re: [Micronet] Advice needed regarding database creation/upkeep

ronald
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Depending on the kind of publishing you want to do, the California
Digital Library's eScholarship service might fit your needs:

http://www.escholarship.org/
http://www.cdlib.org/services/publishing/

For publishing scholarly papers it looks like a very good service
to me, but I have no firsthand experience with it.

Best,

ronald



Ronald Sprouse
Information Systems Analyst
Department of Linguistics
UC Berkeley


> Is there an O.E.-ish publication service that makes use of campus' web and
> database platforms? I do not know how it is maintained but there is a
> digital collection service at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/. We also
> prepared our own paper submission and perusal web interface many years ago
> and at one point there was an effort to move it to the library at
> http://stat-reports.lib.berkeley.edu.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 01:46:09PM -0700, Karen Kato wrote:
>> Hi Barbara-
>>
>> After you hear from others on campus about their solutions and if you
>> want
>> to check out MySQL, the Basic MySQL service offered by IST may be of
>> interest.  You can read more about it at:
>> http://ist.berkeley.edu/services/ds/db/mysql/basic
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Karen Kato
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barbara
>> Alonso
>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 1:13 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [Micronet] Advice needed regarding database creation/upkeep
>>
>> Greetings!
>>
>> We are considering an update for the Issues & Responses section on
>> our website, http://ucbiotech.org. You can see it at
>> http://ucbiotech.org:8080/qilan/NewQASearch.jsp. It currently uses
>> Qilan, but it is pretty expensive (we have to pay $300 every year to
>> use it), and it is a bit clunky. As a result, we haven't been able to
>> easily update the data.
>>
>> I had spoken with our programmer who had originally created the
>> database, and he is fluent with the Helix software. However that is
>> also cost-prohibitive.
>>
>> An alternative we are considering is to go with something more
>> modern, like mySQL to create the database. Also, since it is just
>> straight text, the database file would be small as well.
>>
>> Does anyone else here have a comparable database? What do you use? It
>> would have to be something where I could go in and easily update the
>> database.
>>
>> Any advice you could provide would be very helpful. Thanks in advance
>> for your help!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Barbara Alonso
>> Administrative Specialist
>
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Re: [Micronet] Advice needed regarding database creation/upkeep

Greg Merritt
Did folks look at the original poster's site?  Or maybe it's just thread drift. ;)

The original question didn't have to do with a catalog of publications, but rather a searchable list of many question & response pairs.

It's almost a knowledge base sort of thing.

-Greg



On May 19, 2011, at 3:17 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Depending on the kind of publishing you want to do, the California
> Digital Library's eScholarship service might fit your needs:
>
> http://www.escholarship.org/
> http://www.cdlib.org/services/publishing/
>
> For publishing scholarly papers it looks like a very good service
> to me, but I have no firsthand experience with it.
>
> Best,
>
> ronald
>
>
>
> Ronald Sprouse
> Information Systems Analyst
> Department of Linguistics
> UC Berkeley
>
>
>> Is there an O.E.-ish publication service that makes use of campus' web and
>> database platforms? I do not know how it is maintained but there is a
>> digital collection service at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/. We also
>> prepared our own paper submission and perusal web interface many years ago
>> and at one point there was an effort to move it to the library at
>> http://stat-reports.lib.berkeley.edu.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 01:46:09PM -0700, Karen Kato wrote:
>>> Hi Barbara-
>>>
>>> After you hear from others on campus about their solutions and if you
>>> want
>>> to check out MySQL, the Basic MySQL service offered by IST may be of
>>> interest.  You can read more about it at:
>>> http://ist.berkeley.edu/services/ds/db/mysql/basic
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen Kato
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [hidden email]
>>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barbara
>>> Alonso
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 1:13 PM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: [Micronet] Advice needed regarding database creation/upkeep
>>>
>>> Greetings!
>>>
>>> We are considering an update for the Issues & Responses section on
>>> our website, http://ucbiotech.org. You can see it at
>>> http://ucbiotech.org:8080/qilan/NewQASearch.jsp. It currently uses
>>> Qilan, but it is pretty expensive (we have to pay $300 every year to
>>> use it), and it is a bit clunky. As a result, we haven't been able to
>>> easily update the data.
>>>
>>> I had spoken with our programmer who had originally created the
>>> database, and he is fluent with the Helix software. However that is
>>> also cost-prohibitive.
>>>
>>> An alternative we are considering is to go with something more
>>> modern, like mySQL to create the database. Also, since it is just
>>> straight text, the database file would be small as well.
>>>
>>> Does anyone else here have a comparable database? What do you use? It
>>> would have to be something where I could go in and easily update the
>>> database.
>>>
>>> Any advice you could provide would be very helpful. Thanks in advance
>>> for your help!
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Barbara Alonso
>>> Administrative Specialist
>>
>>
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Re: [Micronet] Advice needed regarding database creation/upkeep

Ian Crew
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Drupal is a Web Content Management System (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_content_management_system), whereas MySQL is a database management system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_management_system)

In short, you'd use drupal to create a website, mysql as a back-end system to store data for a tool like Drupal (or many other things).

Hope that helps,

Ian


On May 19, 2011, at 3:03 PM, balonso wrote:

> Thank you everyone who has replied! I will check out all the options
> presented here and the links you have all kindly provided. I have a message
> in to IST to see if the basic MySQL service will work for our needs.
>
> Now for a newbie idiot question - difference between MySQL and Drupal?
> Apologies ahead of time for my ignorance!
>
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Re: [Micronet] Advice needed regarding database creation/upkeep

Scot Hacker
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On May 19, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Barbara Alonso wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> We are considering an update for the Issues & Responses section on
> our website, http://ucbiotech.org. You can see it at
> http://ucbiotech.org:8080/qilan/NewQASearch.jsp. It currently uses
> Qilan, but it is pretty expensive (we have to pay $300 every year to
> use it), and it is a bit clunky. As a result, we haven't been able to
> easily update the data.

You should be able to rebuild that site in WordPress (or any other CMS) in about an hour, or in raw php/mysql in a few hours.

./s


 
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Re: [Micronet] Advice needed regarding database creation/upkeep

Ryan Lovett
In reply to this post by ronald
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 03:17:52PM -0700, [hidden email] wrote:
> Depending on the kind of publishing you want to do, the California
> Digital Library's eScholarship service might fit your needs:
>
> http://www.escholarship.org/
> http://www.cdlib.org/services/publishing/
>
> For publishing scholarly papers it looks like a very good service
> to me, but I have no firsthand experience with it.

Thanks for the links Ronald. The services do look useful!

Ryan

 
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