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[Micronet] Cinema Display Equivalent?

Beth Muramoto
A faculty's Apple Cinema Display died and he'd like to find an equivalent one to replace it? I haven't looked on the UCB Apple site on BearBuy to see if they make one anymore, but all suggestions are welcome.

Beth

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Re: [Micronet] Cinema Display Equivalent?

Ian Crew
Hi Beth:

Yes, Apple does still make cinema displays, and they're gorgeous.  (My wife has one, I don't. I'm jealous.)  Note that there are two versions: One designed to work with all the non-thunderbolt-compatible (read: older) macs, one to work with the thunderbolt ones.  Be sure to order the correct version: The older display will work with the thunderbolt macs, but you lose out on some nice additional capabilities if you have a thunderbolt mac.  The prices for the two are identical, IIRC.

Ian

On May 7, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Beth J MURAMOTO <[hidden email]> wrote:

A faculty's Apple Cinema Display died and he'd like to find an equivalent one to replace it? I haven't looked on the UCB Apple site on BearBuy to see if they make one anymore, but all suggestions are welcome.

Beth

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Fax:  (510) 643-6239

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You have to decide what your highest priorities are and have the courage to say 'no' to other things." 

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Re: [Micronet] Cinema Display Equivalent?

Yau-Man Chan-2
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I've been shopping for a 27" hi-end monitor - fast and accurate color -
for the last week to go with my MacBook Pro Retina. I wanted one with
100% sRGB gamut and 95%+ Adobe's ProRGB color Gamut.  I've decided to
not go with the Apple Cinema ('cos I'm p.o. at them for their latest
non-innovation!!!!).  After reading up on monitor reviews in photography
and professional Photoshop users blogs, it turn out that one of the best
is the Dell UltraSharp U2713H. I would have never thought to even
consider Dell for monitors! The UltraSharp U2713H got raving reviews all
around. Retails for over $900 but when I ordered it on our UC JACS
contract, it's only $519.  I have one on order and should get here this
week if you want to look at it.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/60474-dell-ultrasharp-u2713h-27-ah-ips-monitor-review-9.html

Yau-Man Chan
College of Chemistry
University of California
Berkeley, CA 94720-1460

Office: 510-643-1034
FAX: 510-643-6178
chemistry.berkeley.edu
[hidden email]

On 5/7/13 4:06 PM, Beth J MURAMOTO wrote:

> A faculty's Apple Cinema Display died and he'd like to find an
> equivalent one to replace it? I haven't looked on the UCB Apple site
> on BearBuy to see if they make one anymore, but all suggestions are
> welcome.
>
> Beth
>
> --
> ***********************************************
> Beth Muramoto
> Computer Resource Specialist
> Graduate School of Education
> University of California, Berkeley
> 1650 Tolman Hall
> Berkeley, CA 94720
> Email:  mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
> Phone:  (510) 643-0203
> Fax:  (510) 643-6239
>
> The Formula for Success:  Underpromise, overdeliver.
> - Tom Peters
>
> You have to decide what your highest priorities are and have the
> courage to say 'no' to other things."
>
> -Stephen Covey
>
> I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I
> have of it.
>
> -Coleman Cox
>
> ***********************************************
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Re: [Micronet] Cinema Display Equivalent?

tedcrum
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The Cinema Display and the Thunderbolt display are both available in
the $999 range. The former requires mini-DiplayPort, and uses a
separate audio cable. The latter uses digital sound and requires a
Thunderbolt Mac; the spec sheet mentions no separate audio connector.

Apple could have put an additional audio connector on the
Thunderbolt, but they have a well established program of changing the
monitor interface every two years, and dropping older monitors, to
keep users on a buying treadmill.

If the user does not require the iSight camera, superior audio and
great design, Dell has several "Ultrasharp" models with IPS screens
that equal the Apple's at a much lower price. They will suit either
miniDP or Thunderbolt (using separate audio) with the proper cable.
The sound bar for the Dells is separate.

-tc

At 04:06 PM 5/7/2013, Beth J MURAMOTO wrote:

>A faculty's Apple Cinema Display died and he'd like to find an
>equivalent one to replace it? I haven't looked on the UCB Apple site
>on BearBuy to see if they make one anymore, but all suggestions are welcome.
>
>Beth
>
>--
>***********************************************
>Beth Muramoto
>Computer Resource Specialist
>Graduate School of Education
>University of California, Berkeley
>1650 Tolman Hall
>Berkeley, CA 94720
>Email:  mailto:[hidden email]
>Phone:  (510) 643-0203
>Fax:  (510) 643-6239
>
>The Formula for Success:  Underpromise, overdeliver.
>- Tom Peters
>
>You have to decide what your highest priorities are and have the
>courage to say 'no' to other things."
>
>-Stephen Covey
>
>I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more
>I have of it.
>
>-Coleman Cox
>
>***********************************************
>
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Re: [Micronet] Cinema Display Equivalent?

secabeen
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I have to share some bad news.  Dell has two monitors with very very
similar part numbers, the U2713H, and the U2713HM.  The HM is a
lower-grade monitor that the H, with a smaller color gamut and different
color accuracy.

That said, they're very close to each other, and a U2713HM may meet your
needs, but it might not:
http://pcmonitors.info/forum/topic/dell-u2713hm-vs-dell-u2713h

--Ted

On 5/7/2013 4:23 PM, Yau-Man Chan wrote:

> I've been shopping for a 27" hi-end monitor - fast and accurate color -
> for the last week to go with my MacBook Pro Retina. I wanted one with
> 100% sRGB gamut and 95%+ Adobe's ProRGB color Gamut.  I've decided to
> not go with the Apple Cinema ('cos I'm p.o. at them for their latest
> non-innovation!!!!).  After reading up on monitor reviews in photography
> and professional Photoshop users blogs, it turn out that one of the best
> is the Dell UltraSharp U2713H. I would have never thought to even
> consider Dell for monitors! The UltraSharp U2713H got raving reviews all
> around. Retails for over $900 but when I ordered it on our UC JACS
> contract, it's only $519.  I have one on order and should get here this
> week if you want to look at it.
>
> http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/60474-dell-ultrasharp-u2713h-27-ah-ips-monitor-review-9.html
>
> Yau-Man Chan
> College of Chemistry
> University of California
> Berkeley, CA 94720-1460
>
> Office: 510-643-1034
> FAX: 510-643-6178
> chemistry.berkeley.edu
> [hidden email]
>
> On 5/7/13 4:06 PM, Beth J MURAMOTO wrote:
>> A faculty's Apple Cinema Display died and he'd like to find an
>> equivalent one to replace it? I haven't looked on the UCB Apple site
>> on BearBuy to see if they make one anymore, but all suggestions are
>> welcome.
>>
>> Beth
>>
>> --
>> ***********************************************
>> Beth Muramoto
>> Computer Resource Specialist
>> Graduate School of Education
>> University of California, Berkeley
>> 1650 Tolman Hall
>> Berkeley, CA 94720
>> Email:  mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>> Phone:  (510) 643-0203
>> Fax:  (510) 643-6239
>>
>> The Formula for Success:  Underpromise, overdeliver.
>> - Tom Peters
>>
>> You have to decide what your highest priorities are and have the
>> courage to say 'no' to other things."
>>
>> -Stephen Covey
>>
>> I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I
>> have of it.
>>
>> -Coleman Cox
>>
>> ***********************************************
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Micronet] Cinema Display Equivalent?

Ian Crew
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The other advantage of the Thunderbolt display from Apple, which I should have mentioned in my original email is that it functions as a break-out box for thunderbolt macs: the display includes an ethernet port, a firewire port, a couple of USB ports, and maybe one or two others.  Given that standalone thunderbolt breakout boxes are running $300-$400, the $999 price of the Thunderbolt display looks a lot better...

As with many things apple, it's more expensive than the competition, but somewhat less so if you start comparing very strict apples-to-apples on tech specs...of course that assumes you NEED all the stuff that Apple includes.

Ian

On May 7, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Ted Crum <[hidden email]> wrote:

The Cinema Display and the Thunderbolt display are both available in
the $999 range. The former requires mini-DiplayPort, and uses a
separate audio cable. The latter uses digital sound and requires a
Thunderbolt Mac; the spec sheet mentions no separate audio connector.

Apple could have put an additional audio connector on the
Thunderbolt, but they have a well established program of changing the
monitor interface every two years, and dropping older monitors, to
keep users on a buying treadmill.

If the user does not require the iSight camera, superior audio and
great design, Dell has several "Ultrasharp" models with IPS screens
that equal the Apple's at a much lower price. They will suit either
miniDP or Thunderbolt (using separate audio) with the proper cable.
The sound bar for the Dells is separate.

-tc

At 04:06 PM 5/7/2013, Beth J MURAMOTO wrote:
A faculty's Apple Cinema Display died and he'd like to find an
equivalent one to replace it? I haven't looked on the UCB Apple site
on BearBuy to see if they make one anymore, but all suggestions are welcome.

Beth

--
***********************************************
Beth Muramoto
Computer Resource Specialist
Graduate School of Education
University of California, Berkeley
1650 Tolman Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720
Email:  [hidden email]
Phone:  (510) 643-0203
Fax:  (510) 643-6239

The Formula for Success:  Underpromise, overdeliver.
- Tom Peters

You have to decide what your highest priorities are and have the
courage to say 'no' to other things."

-Stephen Covey

I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more
I have of it.

-Coleman Cox

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Re: [Micronet] Cinema Display Equivalent?

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It's still more expensive.  Overall, you're paying that extra for the aesthetics and the proprietary nature of the interface.  I'd rather pay 1/2 to 1/3  the price for the same size and resolution and have a more general use display, not one locked into a Mac only world, since I have various non-Mac systems too.  I can also get 2-3 times as many monitors or just save that money for other resources.  When the Macs are done, and you switch to Microsoft or Linux systems, you can't easily reuse those Cinema displays.



On 05/07/2013 at 4:38 PM, "Ian Crew" <[hidden email]> wrote:
The other advantage of the Thunderbolt display from Apple, which I should have mentioned in my original email is that it functions as a break-out box for thunderbolt macs: the display includes an ethernet port, a firewire port, a couple of USB ports, and maybe one or two others.  Given that standalone thunderbolt breakout boxes are running $300-$400, the $999 price of the Thunderbolt display looks a lot better...

As with many things apple, it's more expensive than the competition, but somewhat less so if you start comparing very strict apples-to-apples on tech specs...of course that assumes you NEED all the stuff that Apple includes.

Ian

On May 7, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Ted Crum <[hidden email]> wrote:

The Cinema Display and the Thunderbolt display are both available in
the $999 range. The former requires mini-DiplayPort, and uses a
separate audio cable. The latter uses digital sound and requires a
Thunderbolt Mac; the spec sheet mentions no separate audio connector.

Apple could have put an additional audio connector on the
Thunderbolt, but they have a well established program of changing the
monitor interface every two years, and dropping older monitors, to
keep users on a buying treadmill.

If the user does not require the iSight camera, superior audio and
great design, Dell has several "Ultrasharp" models with IPS screens
that equal the Apple's at a much lower price. They will suit either
miniDP or Thunderbolt (using separate audio) with the proper cable.
The sound bar for the Dells is separate.

-tc

At 04:06 PM 5/7/2013, Beth J MURAMOTO wrote:
A faculty's Apple Cinema Display died and he'd like to find an
equivalent one to replace it? I haven't looked on the UCB Apple site
on BearBuy to see if they make one anymore, but all suggestions are welcome.

Beth

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Graduate School of Education
University of California, Berkeley
1650 Tolman Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720
Email:  mailto:[hidden email]
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Fax:  (510) 643-6239

The Formula for Success:  Underpromise, overdeliver.
- Tom Peters

You have to decide what your highest priorities are and have the
courage to say 'no' to other things."

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I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more
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-Coleman Cox

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Re: [Micronet] Cinema Display Equivalent?

John McChesney-Young
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On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Beth J MURAMOTO <[hidden email]> wrote:
> A faculty's Apple Cinema Display died and he'd like to find an equivalent
> one to replace it?

I haven't seen one of these myself, but I've been reading generally
good things about the LG monitors which Monoprice - which I
enthusiastically recommend for cables - has started selling:

http://gizmodo.com/5994425/monoprices-27+inch-hi+res-monitor-is-your-deal-of-the-day
http://www.macworld.com/product/1252517/27-ips-led-crystalpro-monitor-wqhd.html

About a year ago (as I recall) I started seeing articles about
excellent and astonishingly inexpensive no-name IPS monitors being
sold directly by sellers in Korea through eBay, but now Monoprice and
Microcenter have started importing them so you're not stuck if they
turn out to be defective.

Do note the caveat at the end of the Gizmodo review: these screens
require a Dual Link Digital DVI-D connection.

There are similar deals on other monitors from Korean manufacturers, too. See:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2316998

John

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Re: [Micronet] Cinema Display Equivalent?

Beth Muramoto
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Thank you to everyone for the input. I'll have to read each of the suggestions thoroughly then present them to the interested faculty member and have him make an informed choice.

As always I appreciate the feedback, input and varying perspectives!

Beth


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Beth J MURAMOTO <[hidden email]> wrote:
A faculty's Apple Cinema Display died and he'd like to find an equivalent one to replace it? I haven't looked on the UCB Apple site on BearBuy to see if they make one anymore, but all suggestions are welcome.

Beth

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The Formula for Success:  Underpromise, overdeliver.
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You have to decide what your highest priorities are and have the courage to say 'no' to other things." 

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I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it. 

-Coleman Cox

***********************************************




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University of California, Berkeley
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Berkeley, CA 94720
Email:  mailto:[hidden email]
Phone:  (510) 643-0203 
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The Formula for Success:  Underpromise, overdeliver.
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You have to decide what your highest priorities are and have the courage to say 'no' to other things." 

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