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[Micronet] Setting up Apple TV on the campus network

Beth Muramoto
I have Apple TVs that need to be set up on the campus network and I have to admit that I have no experience in how to do that (I live on just basic cable and a cable box at home  -- does that make me a TV luddite of sorts?).

We have LCD monitors that we'd like to connect to as well as HDMI cables, but I didn't know how to register them (no ethernet ID on boxes) and when I tried connecting them to the LCDs, nothing came up and I tried all of the HDMI options offered by the set up on the LCDs.  Should it be the PC option? I admit I haven't tried that yet.

I know I'm missing something obvious. Any assistance is appreciated.

Oh, by the way, thanks for all of the options everyone emailed about a user's AirBears2 problem. Unfortunately nothing worked. I will try to contact Gary and maybe connect him to the user as I've run out of ideas of things to try.

Beth

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Beth Muramoto
Computer Resource Specialist
Graduate School of Education
University of California, Berkeley
1650 Tolman Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720
Email:  mailto:[hidden email]
Phone:  (510) 643-0203 
Fax:  (510) 643-6239

“Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities have crept in – forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day. You shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense.”
                            -Emerson

This is the essence of forgiveness. You can't change what happened but you can make sure it doesn't have the power to prevent you from being happy tomorrow.
                           
                             -Paul Boese

“Kind words do not cost much yet they accomplish much.” 

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Re: [Micronet] Setting up Apple TV on the campus network

Jay Bryon
Hi all,

We've run down this road a few times, and there is apparently a way to do this (without causing your campus network engineers to cry).  Props to ETS who discovered the solution: 

Put the Apple TV on a wired connection.  Users will locate the IP of the apple tv via bluetooth and then stream to that address over the network (including campus wireless).  No wifi should be enabled on the apple tv itself. 

Hope that helps-
-Jay

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Beth Muramoto <[hidden email]> wrote:
I have Apple TVs that need to be set up on the campus network and I have to admit that I have no experience in how to do that (I live on just basic cable and a cable box at home  -- does that make me a TV luddite of sorts?).

We have LCD monitors that we'd like to connect to as well as HDMI cables, but I didn't know how to register them (no ethernet ID on boxes) and when I tried connecting them to the LCDs, nothing came up and I tried all of the HDMI options offered by the set up on the LCDs.  Should it be the PC option? I admit I haven't tried that yet.

I know I'm missing something obvious. Any assistance is appreciated.

Oh, by the way, thanks for all of the options everyone emailed about a user's AirBears2 problem. Unfortunately nothing worked. I will try to contact Gary and maybe connect him to the user as I've run out of ideas of things to try.

Beth

--
***********************************************
Beth Muramoto
Computer Resource Specialist
Graduate School of Education
University of California, Berkeley
1650 Tolman Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720
Email:  mailto:[hidden email]
Phone:  <a href="tel:%28510%29%20643-0203" value="+15106430203" target="_blank">(510) 643-0203 
Fax:  <a href="tel:%28510%29%20643-6239" value="+15106436239" target="_blank">(510) 643-6239

“Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities have crept in – forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day. You shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense.”
                            -Emerson

This is the essence of forgiveness. You can't change what happened but you can make sure it doesn't have the power to prevent you from being happy tomorrow.
                           
                             -Paul Boese

“Kind words do not cost much yet they accomplish much.” 

                            -Blaise Pascal


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Re: [Micronet] Setting up Apple TV on the campus network

Beth Muramoto
Jay,

Thanks for this! I'll give it a shot when things get quieter...sigh...

Am I registering this via DHCP to get the IP or do I have to give it a static IP? Or would dynamic DNS be a good route for something like this? And forgive yet another luddite question, but how would this be found via bluetooth? Would it be how we do that for bluetooth keyboards and mice?


Beth


P.S. Thanks for your call on the AirBears2 issue. You had just missed me as I had left for vacation (which I needed vacation to recover from -- Not good). I did contact Gary and got some great help and solutions from him.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Jay BRYON <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi all,

We've run down this road a few times, and there is apparently a way to do this (without causing your campus network engineers to cry).  Props to ETS who discovered the solution: 

Put the Apple TV on a wired connection.  Users will locate the IP of the apple tv via bluetooth and then stream to that address over the network (including campus wireless).  No wifi should be enabled on the apple tv itself. 

Hope that helps-
-Jay

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Beth Muramoto <[hidden email]> wrote:
I have Apple TVs that need to be set up on the campus network and I have to admit that I have no experience in how to do that (I live on just basic cable and a cable box at home  -- does that make me a TV luddite of sorts?).

We have LCD monitors that we'd like to connect to as well as HDMI cables, but I didn't know how to register them (no ethernet ID on boxes) and when I tried connecting them to the LCDs, nothing came up and I tried all of the HDMI options offered by the set up on the LCDs.  Should it be the PC option? I admit I haven't tried that yet.

I know I'm missing something obvious. Any assistance is appreciated.

Oh, by the way, thanks for all of the options everyone emailed about a user's AirBears2 problem. Unfortunately nothing worked. I will try to contact Gary and maybe connect him to the user as I've run out of ideas of things to try.

Beth

--
***********************************************
Beth Muramoto
Computer Resource Specialist
Graduate School of Education
University of California, Berkeley
1650 Tolman Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720
Email:  mailto:[hidden email]
Phone:  <a href="tel:%28510%29%20643-0203" value="+15106430203" target="_blank">(510) 643-0203 
Fax:  <a href="tel:%28510%29%20643-6239" value="+15106436239" target="_blank">(510) 643-6239

“Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities have crept in – forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day. You shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense.”
                            -Emerson

This is the essence of forgiveness. You can't change what happened but you can make sure it doesn't have the power to prevent you from being happy tomorrow.
                           
                             -Paul Boese

“Kind words do not cost much yet they accomplish much.” 

                            -Blaise Pascal


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Beth Muramoto
Computer Resource Specialist
Graduate School of Education
University of California, Berkeley
1650 Tolman Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720
Email:  mailto:[hidden email]
Phone:  (510) 643-0203 
Fax:  (510) 643-6239

“Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities have crept in – forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day. You shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense.”
                            -Emerson

This is the essence of forgiveness. You can't change what happened but you can make sure it doesn't have the power to prevent you from being happy tomorrow.
                           
                             -Paul Boese

“Kind words do not cost much yet they accomplish much.” 

                            -Blaise Pascal


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Re: [Micronet] Setting up Apple TV on the campus network

Kevin Chan-2
Hi Beth,

I would recommend that you set up your Apple TV via static or dynamic DHCP so that you can find the Apple TV on the network in case you need to troubleshoot/identify the device.

For AirPlay mirroring via Bluetooth instructions, please check out the "Use peer-to-peer Airplay" section at https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204289.

Some caveats about Airplay via Bluetooth:
* will only work with newer Apple TVs
* will only work with more recent iOS devices
* will NOT work with OS X (e.g. Apple Laptops)

General caveat about Apple TV
* will NOT work with non-Apple devices natively (apps/procedures are available for Windows and Linux devices)

Another alternative that ETS has been testing is to place the Apple TV behind an Airport Express (for NAT). This setup requires some additional attention to detail (e.g. working with IST Network to make sure that you are not interfering with AirBears) to make sure normal campus activity is not disrupted. The benefit of this set up is that you have a lot more control and options w.r.t. the setting up of multiple Apple TVs - especially if they are going to be in close proximity to each other.

ETS has been following wireless display technology for the last few years (we are interested in this primarily for Classroom applications, but it is also applicable for conference room and other display requirements). Apple TVs are very interesting for its low cost, but it is not yet an enterprise wide solution (no way to manage multiple devices centrally, not natively usable by non-Apple devices).

Hope this information helps you (and others who are interested) with your Apple TV investigation.

  Kevin Chan

  Manager - Systems Administration Team
  Educational Technology Services
  UC Berkeley

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Beth Muramoto <[hidden email]> wrote:
Jay,

Thanks for this! I'll give it a shot when things get quieter...sigh...

Am I registering this via DHCP to get the IP or do I have to give it a static IP? Or would dynamic DNS be a good route for something like this? And forgive yet another luddite question, but how would this be found via bluetooth? Would it be how we do that for bluetooth keyboards and mice?


Beth


P.S. Thanks for your call on the AirBears2 issue. You had just missed me as I had left for vacation (which I needed vacation to recover from -- Not good). I did contact Gary and got some great help and solutions from him.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Jay BRYON <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi all,

We've run down this road a few times, and there is apparently a way to do this (without causing your campus network engineers to cry).  Props to ETS who discovered the solution: 

Put the Apple TV on a wired connection.  Users will locate the IP of the apple tv via bluetooth and then stream to that address over the network (including campus wireless).  No wifi should be enabled on the apple tv itself. 

Hope that helps-
-Jay

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Beth Muramoto <[hidden email]> wrote:
I have Apple TVs that need to be set up on the campus network and I have to admit that I have no experience in how to do that (I live on just basic cable and a cable box at home  -- does that make me a TV luddite of sorts?).

We have LCD monitors that we'd like to connect to as well as HDMI cables, but I didn't know how to register them (no ethernet ID on boxes) and when I tried connecting them to the LCDs, nothing came up and I tried all of the HDMI options offered by the set up on the LCDs.  Should it be the PC option? I admit I haven't tried that yet.

I know I'm missing something obvious. Any assistance is appreciated.

Oh, by the way, thanks for all of the options everyone emailed about a user's AirBears2 problem. Unfortunately nothing worked. I will try to contact Gary and maybe connect him to the user as I've run out of ideas of things to try.

Beth

--
***********************************************
Beth Muramoto
Computer Resource Specialist
Graduate School of Education
University of California, Berkeley
1650 Tolman Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720
Email:  mailto:[hidden email]
Phone:  <a href="tel:%28510%29%20643-0203" value="+15106430203" target="_blank">(510) 643-0203 
Fax:  <a href="tel:%28510%29%20643-6239" value="+15106436239" target="_blank">(510) 643-6239

“Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities have crept in – forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day. You shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense.”
                            -Emerson

This is the essence of forgiveness. You can't change what happened but you can make sure it doesn't have the power to prevent you from being happy tomorrow.
                           
                             -Paul Boese

“Kind words do not cost much yet they accomplish much.” 

                            -Blaise Pascal


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Beth Muramoto
Computer Resource Specialist
Graduate School of Education
University of California, Berkeley
1650 Tolman Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720
Email:  mailto:[hidden email]
Phone:  <a href="tel:%28510%29%20643-0203" value="+15106430203" target="_blank">(510) 643-0203 
Fax:  <a href="tel:%28510%29%20643-6239" value="+15106436239" target="_blank">(510) 643-6239

“Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities have crept in – forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day. You shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense.”
                            -Emerson

This is the essence of forgiveness. You can't change what happened but you can make sure it doesn't have the power to prevent you from being happy tomorrow.
                           
                             -Paul Boese

“Kind words do not cost much yet they accomplish much.” 

                            -Blaise Pascal


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Re: [Micronet] Setting up Apple TV on the campus network

Jay Bryon
To address the address issue, fixed dhcp would be what I would recommend.  Dynamic dns is always an option, not sure how that plays out in this particular application, but it wouldn't break anything. 

Static is no longer an option generally, Fixed DHCP is functionally identical to the old school static assignment, the IP address is fixed to a particular device.  This reduces administrative overhead and does some other nice things. 

http://net.berkeley.edu/dhcp/

BTW, if you're using NAT, you have to adhere to the NAT security policy:
https://security.berkeley.edu/NAT.html


On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Kevin Chan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Beth,

I would recommend that you set up your Apple TV via static or dynamic DHCP so that you can find the Apple TV on the network in case you need to troubleshoot/identify the device.

For AirPlay mirroring via Bluetooth instructions, please check out the "Use peer-to-peer Airplay" section at https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204289.

Some caveats about Airplay via Bluetooth:
* will only work with newer Apple TVs
* will only work with more recent iOS devices
* will NOT work with OS X (e.g. Apple Laptops)

General caveat about Apple TV
* will NOT work with non-Apple devices natively (apps/procedures are available for Windows and Linux devices)

Another alternative that ETS has been testing is to place the Apple TV behind an Airport Express (for NAT). This setup requires some additional attention to detail (e.g. working with IST Network to make sure that you are not interfering with AirBears) to make sure normal campus activity is not disrupted. The benefit of this set up is that you have a lot more control and options w.r.t. the setting up of multiple Apple TVs - especially if they are going to be in close proximity to each other.

ETS has been following wireless display technology for the last few years (we are interested in this primarily for Classroom applications, but it is also applicable for conference room and other display requirements). Apple TVs are very interesting for its low cost, but it is not yet an enterprise wide solution (no way to manage multiple devices centrally, not natively usable by non-Apple devices).

Hope this information helps you (and others who are interested) with your Apple TV investigation.

  Kevin Chan

  Manager - Systems Administration Team
  Educational Technology Services
  UC Berkeley

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Beth Muramoto <[hidden email]> wrote:
Jay,

Thanks for this! I'll give it a shot when things get quieter...sigh...

Am I registering this via DHCP to get the IP or do I have to give it a static IP? Or would dynamic DNS be a good route for something like this? And forgive yet another luddite question, but how would this be found via bluetooth? Would it be how we do that for bluetooth keyboards and mice?


Beth


P.S. Thanks for your call on the AirBears2 issue. You had just missed me as I had left for vacation (which I needed vacation to recover from -- Not good). I did contact Gary and got some great help and solutions from him.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Jay BRYON <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi all,

We've run down this road a few times, and there is apparently a way to do this (without causing your campus network engineers to cry).  Props to ETS who discovered the solution: 

Put the Apple TV on a wired connection.  Users will locate the IP of the apple tv via bluetooth and then stream to that address over the network (including campus wireless).  No wifi should be enabled on the apple tv itself. 

Hope that helps-
-Jay

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Beth Muramoto <[hidden email]> wrote:
I have Apple TVs that need to be set up on the campus network and I have to admit that I have no experience in how to do that (I live on just basic cable and a cable box at home  -- does that make me a TV luddite of sorts?).

We have LCD monitors that we'd like to connect to as well as HDMI cables, but I didn't know how to register them (no ethernet ID on boxes) and when I tried connecting them to the LCDs, nothing came up and I tried all of the HDMI options offered by the set up on the LCDs.  Should it be the PC option? I admit I haven't tried that yet.

I know I'm missing something obvious. Any assistance is appreciated.

Oh, by the way, thanks for all of the options everyone emailed about a user's AirBears2 problem. Unfortunately nothing worked. I will try to contact Gary and maybe connect him to the user as I've run out of ideas of things to try.

Beth

--
***********************************************
Beth Muramoto
Computer Resource Specialist
Graduate School of Education
University of California, Berkeley
1650 Tolman Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720
Email:  mailto:[hidden email]
Phone:  <a href="tel:%28510%29%20643-0203" value="+15106430203" target="_blank">(510) 643-0203 
Fax:  <a href="tel:%28510%29%20643-6239" value="+15106436239" target="_blank">(510) 643-6239

“Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities have crept in – forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day. You shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense.”
                            -Emerson

This is the essence of forgiveness. You can't change what happened but you can make sure it doesn't have the power to prevent you from being happy tomorrow.
                           
                             -Paul Boese

“Kind words do not cost much yet they accomplish much.” 

                            -Blaise Pascal


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Beth Muramoto
Computer Resource Specialist
Graduate School of Education
University of California, Berkeley
1650 Tolman Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720
Email:  mailto:[hidden email]
Phone:  <a href="tel:%28510%29%20643-0203" value="+15106430203" target="_blank">(510) 643-0203 
Fax:  <a href="tel:%28510%29%20643-6239" value="+15106436239" target="_blank">(510) 643-6239

“Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities have crept in – forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day. You shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense.”
                            -Emerson

This is the essence of forgiveness. You can't change what happened but you can make sure it doesn't have the power to prevent you from being happy tomorrow.
                           
                             -Paul Boese

“Kind words do not cost much yet they accomplish much.” 

                            -Blaise Pascal


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