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[Micronet] Whither CalAgenda?

Jon Forrest
It's been a while since we heard anything
about the switch from Oracle Calendar to
Bedework. I wonder if someone could post
an update to the relevant places.

Jon

 
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Re: [Micronet] Whither CalAgenda?

tedcrum
At 11:58 AM 5/2/2011, Jon Forrest wrote:

>It's been a while since we heard anything
>about the switch from Oracle Calendar to
>Bedework. I wonder if someone could post
>an update to the relevant places.
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>Jon
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I was wondering myself.

I also wonder if the absence of an Outlook connector has been
delaying the project. And if the Golden Age of free software is too
long passed.


-Ted Crum
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Re: [Micronet] Whither CalAgenda?

Greg Merritt
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I brought it up with someone in passing at a recent campus meeting,  
and was told that I shouldn't ask as it's a delicate issue.

Now you've gone and done it, Jon. ;)

-Greg

 
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Re: [Micronet] Whither CalAgenda?

billallison
Hi Greg, Jon, Ted, & Micronet

I am in meetings with Paul and Mimi and we are in the process of assessing next steps and processing feedback from OE.  If you or others have input please don't hesitate to email me, and we will post an update within the next 2-3 weeks.

-Bill

On May 2, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Greg Merritt wrote:

> I brought it up with someone in passing at a recent campus meeting,  
> and was told that I shouldn't ask as it's a delicate issue.
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> Now you've gone and done it, Jon. ;)
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> -Greg
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Re: [Micronet] Whither CalAgenda?

Greg Merritt
On May 2, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Bill Allison wrote:

> If you or others have input please don't hesitate to email me, and  
> we will post an update within the next 2-3 weeks.


Bill,

The plan presented at the "CalAgenda - Next generation presentation"  
last October sounded pretty good to me.

-Greg


 
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Re: [Micronet] Whither CalAgenda?

Johnathon P. Kogelman
We could look to the example set by LBNL to contract with Google to provide online storage, email, and calendar service. Alternatively, we could contract locally with Microsoft to setup and maintain an Enterprise Level Exchange solution for Campus. An integrated calender and email solution for computers as well as mobile devices (Android, BlackBerry, iPhone, iPad, Win Tablets, etc) would go a long way to appeasing the Faculty and Staff on Campus.

Johnathon

On 5/2/11 12:41 PM, Greg Merritt wrote:
On May 2, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Bill Allison wrote:

If you or others have input please don't hesitate to email me, and  
we will post an update within the next 2-3 weeks.

Bill,

The plan presented at the "CalAgenda - Next generation presentation"  
last October sounded pretty good to me.

-Greg


 
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Re: [Micronet] Whither CalAgenda?

Yau-Man Chan-2
Speaking of Calendars etc, we have couple of new hired senior faculty
members coming in and will be bringing their groups. Here's a message
from one of the concerned AA at the home institution inquiring about the
move with the Chemistry AA-designate for this new professor:
----
"Hi xxxx,
While you’re conferring with the IT folks, could you ask them how best
to migrate Prof xxx’s calendar to Berkeley’s system? He runs a Mac and
uses Entourage 2008 for his calendar, but could probably export his
calendar as an iCal file or another format if needed. Hopefully, we can
find a solution for allowing you access to his current calendar, because
I imagine there will come a time even before he moves that you will need
to start adding events to his calendar, being able to see what’s
currently scheduled (he does have events scheduled far out), and this
should all be synchronized...."
-----
Now, in the spirit of OE, we will definitely resist the temptation to
install our own Microsoft Exchange (or Novell Groupwise?) server in the
College and will await a solution from Campus IT but we are definitely
running out of time. Not only are our faculty members expecting a
campus-wide calendaring system more user-friendly and ubiquitous than
CalAgenda, but the new incoming class of graduate students at too. Many
graduated from schools where as undergrads they had a campus calendar
system synced to their personal devices and are expecting the same as
GSR and GSI in Berkeley - after all we did promise them that they are
coming to the best College of Chemistry in the world!!

Yau-Man Chan
Chief Technology Officer
College of Chemistry
University of California
Berkeley, CA 94720-1460

Office: 510-643-1034
FAX: 510-643-6178
chemistry.berkeley.edu
[hidden email]


On 5/2/2011 1:39 PM, Johnathon P. Kogelman wrote:

> We could look to the example set by LBNL to contract with Google to
> provide online storage, email, and calendar service. Alternatively, we
> could contract locally with Microsoft to setup and maintain an
> Enterprise Level Exchange solution for Campus. An integrated calender
> and email solution for computers as well as mobile devices (Android,
> BlackBerry, iPhone, iPad, Win Tablets, etc) would go a long way to
> appeasing the Faculty and Staff on Campus.
>
> Johnathon
>
> On 5/2/11 12:41 PM, Greg Merritt wrote:
>> On May 2, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Bill Allison wrote:
>>
>>> If you or others have input please don't hesitate to email me, and
>>> we will post an update within the next 2-3 weeks.
>> Bill,
>>
>> The plan presented at the "CalAgenda - Next generation presentation"
>> last October sounded pretty good to me.
>>
>> -Greg
>>
>>

 
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Re: [Micronet] Whither CalAgenda?

Rune Stromsness
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On 02-May-11 13:39, Johnathon P. Kogelman wrote:
> We could look to the example set by LBNL to contract with Google to
> provide online storage, email, and calendar service. Alternatively, we
> could contract locally with Microsoft to setup and maintain an
> Enterprise Level Exchange solution for Campus. An integrated calender
> and email solution for computers as well as mobile devices (Android,
> BlackBerry, iPhone, iPad, Win Tablets, etc) would go a long way to
> appeasing the Faculty and Staff on Campus.

Some of us are very happy that we have email that is standards-compliant
and works with all kinds of devices and applications (unlike most
Microsoft email).

And are very happy that we aren't handing all of our email messages to
Google to be indexed and added to their giant database of information
about each of us.

I also note that neither of those vendor solutions seems to fit well
with the campus technology governance principles favoring openness, open
standards, and community driven solutions:
https://wikihub.berkeley.edu/display/itac/ITACGovernancePrinciples


I'm guessing that the primary delay for CalAgenda moving off of the old
Oracle Calendar product onto the newer, more open platform is that 1 of
the 2 senior technical people in the CalMail/CalAgenda/AFS team left
that team back in Feb-2010 and the position is still vacant 14+ months
later.


Rune

> Johnathon
>
> On 5/2/11 12:41 PM, Greg Merritt wrote:
>> On May 2, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Bill Allison wrote:
>>
>>> If you or others have input please don't hesitate to email me, and  
>>> we will post an update within the next 2-3 weeks.
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> The plan presented at the "CalAgenda - Next generation presentation"  
>> last October sounded pretty good to me.
>>
>> -Greg
>>

 
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Re: [Micronet] Whither CalAgenda?

Lucy Greco-2
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Hello:

at this point in time I cannot recommend we use the Google apps for these particular tools.  There is currently an investigation going on of four universities that have made this decision.  The allegation is that these tools are not accessible to the blind and visually impaired.  Until the Department of Justice makes a decision deciding to go with Google is very risky.  On a personal note I did find that the Google tools are quite difficult to use and in some cases impossible.  For a blind user.  I have used the Microsoft exchange client in the cloud and found that it is missing key features if the "accessible version" is turned on.  Whatever tool we choose we should really look at it as closely as possible for accessibility. 

 

See this link for information on the Department of Justice investigation.

><http://www.nfb.org/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=771>.

 

Lucy Greco

Assistive Technology Specialist

Disabled Student's Program UC Berkeley

(510) 643-7591

http://attlc.berkeley.edu

http://webaccess.berkeley.edu

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Johnathon P. Kogelman
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 1:40 PM
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We could look to the example set by LBNL to contract with Google to provide online storage, email, and calendar service. Alternatively, we could contract locally with Microsoft to setup and maintain an Enterprise Level Exchange solution for Campus. An integrated calender and email solution for computers as well as mobile devices (Android, BlackBerry, iPhone, iPad, Win Tablets, etc) would go a long way to appeasing the Faculty and Staff on Campus.

Johnathon

On 5/2/11 12:41 PM, Greg Merritt wrote:

On May 2, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Bill Allison wrote:
 
If you or others have input please don't hesitate to email me, and  
we will post an update within the next 2-3 weeks.
 
 
Bill,
 
The plan presented at the "CalAgenda - Next generation presentation"  
last October sounded pretty good to me.
 
-Greg
 
 
 
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Re: [Micronet] Whither CalAgenda?

Michael Sinatra
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On Mon, 2 May 2011, Johnathon P. Kogelman wrote:

> We could look to the example set by LBNL to contract with Google to provide online storage, email, and calendar service.
> Alternatively, we could contract locally with Microsoft to setup and maintain an Enterprise Level Exchange solution for
> Campus. An integrated calender and email solution for computers as well as mobile devices (Android, BlackBerry, iPhone,
> iPad, Win Tablets, etc) would go a long way to appeasing the Faculty and Staff on Campus.

As someone who uses the LBNL suite of Google apps (execpt mail, thank
Gosh), I can say a little about my experience with its calendar over the
past few months:

o The web user interface is okay, but not great.  There are some things
that Oracle Calendar does that Google doesn't do or doesn't do as well.
For example, it's easy to create group views of a set of calendars, but
it's harder to toggle between your preferred group view and your own view
(and group views can get cluttered).

o There are clearly some issues with recurring items, but I can't tell if
this is PEBCAK or something with Google.  It seems to be hard to get
invited to a recurring event without some gyrations.  Not really sure why
this is.

o I am taking a while to get used to CalDAV and the web interface.  When I
use Lightning, I still can't see certain events that I am invited to (!).
There are a bunch of gyrations to go through, and even if they work,
keeping complicated calendar configurations synchronized between the web
interface and CalDAV-clients is tricky and time-consuming.

o Google calendar has periods (I notice it every few days, so it may
happen even more often) where it gets slow.  Dreadfully slow.  So slow
that a fully-laden Oracle Calendar, whose database hadn't been cleaned in
3 years, would blush.  It sometimes takes *minutes* after clicking on an
entry for it to come up.  Sometimes there's zero feedback that it's even
doing anything.

Basically it's okay, but it's not a panacea.  Switching to it from Oracle
(as crappy as Oracle is) hasn't been the breath of fresh air that I
expected.  And it's not really something I would pay too much for if I
could get the same thing via open-source.

Google Docs, on the other hand, is pretty cool.  The two best features it
has are the ability to read most document formats (PDF, DOC, RTF, etc.)
via a web browser instead of having to bring up and the ability to
collaborate on a document in real time.  The latter feature has been
invaluable for a project I am working on.  Each person logged into the doc
has a cursor of a different color, so you can watch as changes are being
made.  You can also embed comments, in the same way as you can with Word
documents.  Of course, I wouldn't store anything there that I didn't one
day intend to become public. :)

michael


 
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Re: [Micronet] Whither CalAgenda?

Michael Sinatra
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Lucy:

As a user of Google docs I can totally see how it would be very difficult
for a sight-impared person to use, especially for the real-time
collaboration use-cases that I discussed in my previous email.

michael

On Mon, 2 May 2011, Lucy Greco wrote:

>
> Hello:
>
> at this point in time I cannot recommend we use the Google apps for these particular tools.  There is currently an
> investigation going on of four universities that have made this decision.  The allegation is that these tools are not
> accessible to the blind and visually impaired.  Until the Department of Justice makes a decision deciding to go with Google
> is very risky.  On a personal note I did find that the Google tools are quite difficult to use and in some cases
> impossible.  For a blind user.  I have used the Microsoft exchange client in the cloud and found that it is missing key
> features if the "accessible version" is turned on.  Whatever tool we choose we should really look at it as closely as
> possible for accessibility. 
 
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