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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

Ian Crew
Hi Jay:

Just stumbled across this old message, and wondered if anything ever happened with the AirBears app in the iOS 4.x world.  I still remember it fondly.  Any news?

Thanks!

Ian

On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Jay Bryon wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've just finished discussions with Apple and also with Russ McBride
> within IST (who I worked with to create the AirBears app).  Russ
> programmed the app and had been testing it with 3.0 developer betas for
> the last few months with no problems.
>
> While the betas of 3.0 worked fine with the AirBears app, the final
> release is now behaving differently, which is a bit of a blindside for us.
>
> The new behavior is with the new feature, "Automatic WiFi Login", which
> isn't optional in this release.  As it currently operates it makes it
> impossible to stay associated to the AirBears WiFi network without using
> the web page captive portal page that pops up.
>
> It's essentially trying to do the same job as our app, but more
> generically and without the features/integration.  If you attempt to
> cancel this, it disassociates you from the wifi network, at which point
> the AirBears app can't function, as you're not on AirBears anymore.
>
> Given the restrictions that Apple has placed on us, it may prove
> difficult or impossible to elegantly solve this until they respond to
> our request for a means to turn off the feature or make it optional.
>
> Also, as previously announced, we are working on a new authentication
> system for AirBears, that *may* also solve this in a more permanent
> fashion, obviating the need for an app entirely.  The additional
> benefits there would be multiple platform support for other types of
> devices as well as overall simplicity.
>
> In the meantime, I have to apologize to the roughly 3000 users of the
> AirBears app.  We did our due diligence to see that it would work under
> the new iPhone 3.0 software, but Apple failed to be consistent between
> the beta and production software behavior on this feature.
>
> While the app is currently broken, and is likely to stay that way for
> some time, we will be working to resolve this and make AirBears more
> usable with devices such as the iPhone.
>
> Thanks for your patience as we strive to make the network better-
>
> -Jay
>
> --
> Jay Bryon
> Senior Network Engineer, U.C. Berkeley/IST/IS/NSO
> [hidden email]
> 2-5636
>
> "Any idiot can be complex, it takes real genius to be simple"
> -Al Einstein
>
> "Unfortunately, the gap between theory and practice is not as wide in theory as it is in practice."
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>
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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

Russell Low
I don't see a need for a separate AirBears app any more.  Now that AirBears maintains your logon info for a week, all you have to do is just tap the "CalNet" button on the AirBears page that pops up on Safari on the iPhone and it automatically reauthenticates.  After a week, you have to re-enter your CalNet logon info, but I think that's a minor inconvenience.  (And IIRC you had to do that with the AirBears app more frequently than that.)

Russell


On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Ian Crew wrote:

Hi Jay:

Just stumbled across this old message, and wondered if anything ever happened with the AirBears app in the iOS 4.x world.  I still remember it fondly.  Any news?

Thanks!

Ian

On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Jay Bryon wrote:

Hi all,

I've just finished discussions with Apple and also with Russ McBride
within IST (who I worked with to create the AirBears app).  Russ
programmed the app and had been testing it with 3.0 developer betas for
the last few months with no problems.

While the betas of 3.0 worked fine with the AirBears app, the final
release is now behaving differently, which is a bit of a blindside for us.

The new behavior is with the new feature, "Automatic WiFi Login", which
isn't optional in this release.  As it currently operates it makes it
impossible to stay associated to the AirBears WiFi network without using
the web page captive portal page that pops up.

It's essentially trying to do the same job as our app, but more
generically and without the features/integration.  If you attempt to
cancel this, it disassociates you from the wifi network, at which point
the AirBears app can't function, as you're not on AirBears anymore.

Given the restrictions that Apple has placed on us, it may prove
difficult or impossible to elegantly solve this until they respond to
our request for a means to turn off the feature or make it optional.

Also, as previously announced, we are working on a new authentication
system for AirBears, that *may* also solve this in a more permanent
fashion, obviating the need for an app entirely.  The additional
benefits there would be multiple platform support for other types of
devices as well as overall simplicity.

In the meantime, I have to apologize to the roughly 3000 users of the
AirBears app.  We did our due diligence to see that it would work under
the new iPhone 3.0 software, but Apple failed to be consistent between
the beta and production software behavior on this feature.

While the app is currently broken, and is likely to stay that way for
some time, we will be working to resolve this and make AirBears more
usable with devices such as the iPhone.

Thanks for your patience as we strive to make the network better-

-Jay

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Senior Network Engineer, U.C. Berkeley/IST/IS/NSO
[hidden email]
2-5636

"Any idiot can be complex, it takes real genius to be simple"
-Al Einstein

"Unfortunately, the gap between theory and practice is not as wide in theory as it is in practice."
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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

Greg Merritt

> I don't see a need for a separate AirBears app any more.


Agreed.

I have to auth more frequently than once a day, but I have a bookmark  
to the auth page.  More often than not, I invoke that and it tells me  
"you're already logged in" (even if I sort of actually *wasn't*) and  
I'm set to go.

If AirBears thinks it needs a new auth, it will just follow through  
and ask me.

-Greg

 
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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

Beth Muramoto
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I'm in agreement as well. It's working great. No need for an app icon anymore.

Beth


On Dec 3, 2010, at 12:00 PM, Russell Low wrote:

I don't see a need for a separate AirBears app any more.  Now that AirBears maintains your logon info for a week, all you have to do is just tap the "CalNet" button on the AirBears page that pops up on Safari on the iPhone and it automatically reauthenticates.  After a week, you have to re-enter your CalNet logon info, but I think that's a minor inconvenience.  (And IIRC you had to do that with the AirBears app more frequently than that.)

Russell


On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Ian Crew wrote:

Hi Jay:

Just stumbled across this old message, and wondered if anything ever happened with the AirBears app in the iOS 4.x world.  I still remember it fondly.  Any news?

Thanks!

Ian

On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Jay Bryon wrote:

Hi all,

I've just finished discussions with Apple and also with Russ McBride
within IST (who I worked with to create the AirBears app).  Russ
programmed the app and had been testing it with 3.0 developer betas for
the last few months with no problems.

While the betas of 3.0 worked fine with the AirBears app, the final
release is now behaving differently, which is a bit of a blindside for us.

The new behavior is with the new feature, "Automatic WiFi Login", which
isn't optional in this release.  As it currently operates it makes it
impossible to stay associated to the AirBears WiFi network without using
the web page captive portal page that pops up.

It's essentially trying to do the same job as our app, but more
generically and without the features/integration.  If you attempt to
cancel this, it disassociates you from the wifi network, at which point
the AirBears app can't function, as you're not on AirBears anymore.

Given the restrictions that Apple has placed on us, it may prove
difficult or impossible to elegantly solve this until they respond to
our request for a means to turn off the feature or make it optional.

Also, as previously announced, we are working on a new authentication
system for AirBears, that *may* also solve this in a more permanent
fashion, obviating the need for an app entirely.  The additional
benefits there would be multiple platform support for other types of
devices as well as overall simplicity.

In the meantime, I have to apologize to the roughly 3000 users of the
AirBears app.  We did our due diligence to see that it would work under
the new iPhone 3.0 software, but Apple failed to be consistent between
the beta and production software behavior on this feature.

While the app is currently broken, and is likely to stay that way for
some time, we will be working to resolve this and make AirBears more
usable with devices such as the iPhone.

Thanks for your patience as we strive to make the network better-

-Jay

--
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Senior Network Engineer, U.C. Berkeley/IST/IS/NSO
[hidden email]
2-5636

"Any idiot can be complex, it takes real genius to be simple"
-Al Einstein

"Unfortunately, the gap between theory and practice is not as wide in theory as it is in practice."
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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

Ian Crew
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Ah--I hadn't realized that the requirements for how often you have to authenticate to AirBears had been relaxed.

Given that, who would I contact to make a modified suggestion, that there be a mobile-friendly CSS stylesheet added to http://wlan.berkeley.edu/login/ and https://auth.berkeley.edu/cas/login?  The current version is pretty cumbersome to use on a phone....

Cheers,

Ian

On Dec 3, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Greg Merritt wrote:

>
>> I don't see a need for a separate AirBears app any more.
>
>
> Agreed.
>
> I have to auth more frequently than once a day, but I have a bookmark  
> to the auth page.  More often than not, I invoke that and it tells me  
> "you're already logged in" (even if I sort of actually *wasn't*) and  
> I'm set to go.
>
> If AirBears thinks it needs a new auth, it will just follow through  
> and ask me.
>
> -Greg
>
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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

Greg Merritt
> Given that, who would I contact to make a modified suggestion, that  
> there be a mobile-friendly CSS stylesheet added tohttp://wlan.berkeley.edu/login/
>  and https://auth.berkeley.edu/cas/login?  The current version is  
> pretty cumbersome to use on a phone....


Hmm... I have nothing against a styled-for-mobile version, but I just  
fat-finger at the form on my iPod, and Safari changes the focus to  
data entry mode and zooms right in.  I swear (maybe through some  
javascript?) that even when I initially hit the password field by  
mistake, it nicely pops me into the username field instead.  username -
 > next -> password -> go, and I'm done.

Well, I might be a bit annoyed if I were trying to read the page, but  
I don't read it.

-Greg

 
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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

Erik Klavon
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On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 12:12:07PM -0800, Ian Crew wrote:
> Ah--I hadn't realized that the requirements for how often you have
> to authenticate to AirBears had been relaxed.
>
> Given that, who would I contact to make a modified suggestion, that
> there be a mobile-friendly CSS stylesheet added to
> http://wlan.berkeley.edu/login/ and
> https://auth.berkeley.edu/cas/login?  The current version is pretty
> cumbersome to use on a phone....

Ian

Feel free to make the suggestion here. If you provide a css file or
css fragment that solves the problem you have, that will speed its
implementation. =)

Erik

 
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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

Tom Salinaro
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I would agree that it is no big deal to re-auth if your intent is to use the browser. But more often than not I find myself launching the browser just to auth so I can use the app I need (email or whatever).



On Dec 3, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Ian Crew <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Ah--I hadn't realized that the requirements for how often you have to authenticate to AirBears had been relaxed.
>
> Given that, who would I contact to make a modified suggestion, that there be a mobile-friendly CSS stylesheet added to http://wlan.berkeley.edu/login/ and https://auth.berkeley.edu/cas/login?  The current version is pretty cumbersome to use on a phone....
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ian
>
> On Dec 3, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Greg Merritt wrote:
>
>>
>>> I don't see a need for a separate AirBears app any more.
>>
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>> I have to auth more frequently than once a day, but I have a bookmark  
>> to the auth page.  More often than not, I invoke that and it tells me  
>> "you're already logged in" (even if I sort of actually *wasn't*) and  
>> I'm set to go.
>>
>> If AirBears thinks it needs a new auth, it will just follow through  
>> and ask me.
>>
>> -Greg
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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

Ian Crew
Yeah, that's where I run into being annoyed with Airbears most often, too.  Specifically, when I can't check mail (either automatically or manually) anymore. I then have to realize that it's not working, and that the reason is because the phone has locked onto AirBears, which causes the IMAP connection to stall until you switch from Mail to Safari, pick some random website to connect to, and authenticate.  A pain.

This brings up a question for which I'm sure there's a really good answer, but one that I don't know:
Why isn't AirBears handled like LIPS, where you can just register the MAC address of a device and then that device works without any further intervention?  It's much more convenient.

Cheers,

Ian

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> I would agree that it is no big deal to re-auth if your intent is to use the browser. But more often than not I find myself launching the browser just to auth so I can use the app I need (email or whatever).

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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

Yau-Man Chan
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... and now for a Public Service Announcement:

Someone noticed that the "AirBears Utility for iPhone" has not worked
since iPhone OS 3.0  Well, I found one that works for 3.0 ++ and I'm
using it for iOS4.2.1 and it works on the iPhone or iPad.

It's call AutoWiFi and only cost $1.99 - (don't know if the "lite"
-free- version works)   AutoWifi works great for AirBears and for the
Student Residence Wireless network.  Here's the link to it:

http://subzero.eu/autowifi/AutoWiFi/Welcome.html

After you install it, you need to "teach" it how to login to AirBear and
after that, all you have to do is tap on the icon and it will log you
back in.  It can remember locations and all kinds of login schemes which
is useful if you travel an use Boingo, , Verizon, etc..  You only need
to buy it once and if can download it for your iPad or another iPhone at
no extra charge.

... and just in case I get in trouble for promoting/endorsing a
commercial product on this list, I'm going to lawyer up with this
disclaimer: AutoWiFi is a commercial app produced, written and sold by a
private party who is not affiliated with the University of California,
Berkeley.  Announcement regarding the availability of this product is
shared with you for informational purpose only and should not be
construed as an official endorsement by this office, the College of
Chemistry or the Regents of the University of California.  I attest that
I did not receive any considerations in exchange for sharing this
information and will not receive any remuneration or financial
considerations in kind if you purchase the product mentioned above.

Yau-Man



On 12/3/2010 12:30 PM, Tom Salinaro wrote:

> I would agree that it is no big deal to re-auth if your intent is to use the browser. But more often than not I find myself launching the browser just to auth so I can use the app I need (email or whatever).
>
>
>
> On Dec 3, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Ian Crew<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>
>> Ah--I hadn't realized that the requirements for how often you have to authenticate to AirBears had been relaxed.
>>
>> Given that, who would I contact to make a modified suggestion, that there be a mobile-friendly CSS stylesheet added to http://wlan.berkeley.edu/login/ and https://auth.berkeley.edu/cas/login?  The current version is pretty cumbersome to use on a phone....
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Greg Merritt wrote:
>>
>>>> I don't see a need for a separate AirBears app any more.
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>>
>>> I have to auth more frequently than once a day, but I have a bookmark
>>> to the auth page.  More often than not, I invoke that and it tells me
>>> "you're already logged in" (even if I sort of actually *wasn't*) and
>>> I'm set to go.
>>>
>>> If AirBears thinks it needs a new auth, it will just follow through
>>> and ask me.
>>>
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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

Rune Stromsness
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On 03-Dec-10 12:37, Ian Crew wrote:
> Yeah, that's where I run into being annoyed with Airbears most often, too.  Specifically, when I can't check mail (either automatically or manually) anymore. I then have to realize that it's not working, and that the reason is because the phone has locked onto AirBears, which causes the IMAP connection to stall until you switch from Mail to Safari, pick some random website to connect to, and authenticate.  A pain.
>
> This brings up a question for which I'm sure there's a really good answer, but one that I don't know:
> Why isn't AirBears handled like LIPS, where you can just register the MAC address of a device and then that device works without any further intervention?  It's much more convenient.

With AirBears the connection is done by broadcasting through the air --
which anyone can see.  So it becomes very easy to watch for a MAC
address that someone is using, then use that MAC address on your own device.

Even just within 2-hour-long sessions in the Dorms we saw people
re-using someone else's MAC address to get onto the wireless network
without authenticating (and such that we couldn't track who it was who
had done something...).  If the MAC address worked forever...

I still think it would be great if there was some way to get WPA2
authentication for people's devices (iPhone, Android phones, game
consoles, etc.).  Maybe a website where users could CalNet authenticate,
register their device, and get given a set of one-off WPA2 credentials
that could be saved on the device.  Or something else, but something
that would be easy to work with most random wireless mobile devices
these days to just auto-associate when on campus.

Rune

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>
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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

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> But more often than not I find myself launching the browser just to  
> auth so I can use the app I need (email or whatever).

Oh, I see.

Well, when I want to use airbears, I simply wake my device and click  
the shortcut on my home screen.  I have it built-in as a habit, and  
don't really think about it any more.

If somebody could make it slicker, I wouldn't complain, but it works  
well enough for me.

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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

Erik Klavon
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On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 01:36:25PM -0800, Rune Stromsness wrote:
> I still think it would be great if there was some way to get WPA2
> authentication for people's devices (iPhone, Android phones, game
> consoles, etc.).  Maybe a website where users could CalNet authenticate,
> register their device, and get given a set of one-off WPA2 credentials
> that could be saved on the device.  Or something else, but something
> that would be easy to work with most random wireless mobile devices
> these days to just auto-associate when on campus.

We intend to make 802.1x available at some point as part of a
deployment of eduroam. 802.1x allows properly configured devices
to authenticate as part of associating to the network. There are a lot
of details (and devils in them) to work out. One of the biggest
technical challenges we've identified so far is dealing with IPv4
address consumption resulting from clients automatically
authenticating when they associate. The challenge in this problem lies
in mitigating the new problems created by the various solutions to
it.

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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

Erik Klavon
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On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 12:12:07PM -0800, Ian Crew wrote:
> Given that, who would I contact to make a modified suggestion, that
> there be a mobile-friendly CSS stylesheet added to
> http://wlan.berkeley.edu/login/ and
> https://auth.berkeley.edu/cas/login?  The current version is pretty
> cumbersome to use on a phone....

Is this any better?

http://net.berkeley.edu/wireless/test/login.html

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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

Ian Crew
Hi Eric:

Thanks! On my iPhone 4, it looks like the attached.  I can zoom out, and the overall design is great.  So, if we can figure out why Safari zooms in, it'll be perfect.

I'll try to do a little googling tomorrow or Monday to try to figure it out.

Cheers,

Ian







On Dec 4, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Erik Klavon <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 12:12:07PM -0800, Ian Crew wrote:
>> Given that, who would I contact to make a modified suggestion, that
>> there be a mobile-friendly CSS stylesheet added to
>> http://wlan.berkeley.edu/login/ and
>> https://auth.berkeley.edu/cas/login?  The current version is pretty
>> cumbersome to use on a phone....
>
> Is this any better?
>
> http://net.berkeley.edu/wireless/test/login.html
>
> Erik

 
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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

Jay Bryon
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Hi all,

We haven't actively pursued an AirBears app, as it's not really the best
way available to deal with the login process currently.

We have modified the system to allow a login to last for a week on the
same device/browser, regardless of platform.  While it still requires a
browser to re-initiate contact after being off network, this is a button
press instead of a login/password, so a big improvement.

It also avoids a multi platform support and development effort which
would require a lot more resources.

In the future I believe that we will find other platform agnostic
methods to further increase convenience without sacrificing security.

Using an app utility, particularly ones not developed in concert with
IST, risks data and/or access security via caching authentication data.  
It also could be fooled via a rogue network into revealing login data.

The AirBears app was designed to mitigate these issues and was developed
in partnership with the folks who run AirBears.  So generally I would
advise not to go there, but just login once a week.

-Jay

Ian Crew wrote:

> Hi Jay:
>
> Just stumbled across this old message, and wondered if anything ever happened with the AirBears app in the iOS 4.x world.  I still remember it fondly.  Any news?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ian
>
> On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Jay Bryon wrote:
>
>  
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've just finished discussions with Apple and also with Russ McBride
>> within IST (who I worked with to create the AirBears app).  Russ
>> programmed the app and had been testing it with 3.0 developer betas for
>> the last few months with no problems.
>>
>> While the betas of 3.0 worked fine with the AirBears app, the final
>> release is now behaving differently, which is a bit of a blindside for us.
>>
>> The new behavior is with the new feature, "Automatic WiFi Login", which
>> isn't optional in this release.  As it currently operates it makes it
>> impossible to stay associated to the AirBears WiFi network without using
>> the web page captive portal page that pops up.
>>
>> It's essentially trying to do the same job as our app, but more
>> generically and without the features/integration.  If you attempt to
>> cancel this, it disassociates you from the wifi network, at which point
>> the AirBears app can't function, as you're not on AirBears anymore.
>>
>> Given the restrictions that Apple has placed on us, it may prove
>> difficult or impossible to elegantly solve this until they respond to
>> our request for a means to turn off the feature or make it optional.
>>
>> Also, as previously announced, we are working on a new authentication
>> system for AirBears, that *may* also solve this in a more permanent
>> fashion, obviating the need for an app entirely.  The additional
>> benefits there would be multiple platform support for other types of
>> devices as well as overall simplicity.
>>
>> In the meantime, I have to apologize to the roughly 3000 users of the
>> AirBears app.  We did our due diligence to see that it would work under
>> the new iPhone 3.0 software, but Apple failed to be consistent between
>> the beta and production software behavior on this feature.
>>
>> While the app is currently broken, and is likely to stay that way for
>> some time, we will be working to resolve this and make AirBears more
>> usable with devices such as the iPhone.
>>
>> Thanks for your patience as we strive to make the network better-
>>
>> -Jay
>>
>> --
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>> Senior Network Engineer, U.C. Berkeley/IST/IS/NSO
>> [hidden email]
>> 2-5636
>>
>> "Any idiot can be complex, it takes real genius to be simple"
>> -Al Einstein
>>
>> "Unfortunately, the gap between theory and practice is not as wide in theory as it is in practice."
>> -Anonymous
>>
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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

Yau-Man Chan
Another vendor just showed up on the Apple Apps store to sell an AirBears specific login app

http://applenerds.wordpress.com/2010/11/21/airbears-auto-login-app-released/

Anyone know who these guys are?  It's not a generic Wifi login app like AutoWiFi but written specifically for our AirBears!

Yau-Man
Sent from my iPad

On Dec 4, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Jay Bryon <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We haven't actively pursued an AirBears app, as it's not really the best
> way available to deal with the login process currently.
>
> We have modified the system to allow a login to last for a week on the
> same device/browser, regardless of platform.  While it still requires a
> browser to re-initiate contact after being off network, this is a button
> press instead of a login/password, so a big improvement.
>
> It also avoids a multi platform support and development effort which
> would require a lot more resources.
>
> In the future I believe that we will find other platform agnostic
> methods to further increase convenience without sacrificing security.
>
> Using an app utility, particularly ones not developed in concert with
> IST, risks data and/or access security via caching authentication data.  
> It also could be fooled via a rogue network into revealing login data.
>
> The AirBears app was designed to mitigate these issues and was developed
> in partnership with the folks who run AirBears.  So generally I would
> advise not to go there, but just login once a week.
>
> -Jay
>
> Ian Crew wrote:
>> Hi Jay:
>>
>> Just stumbled across this old message, and wondered if anything ever happened with the AirBears app in the iOS 4.x world.  I still remember it fondly.  Any news?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Jay Bryon wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've just finished discussions with Apple and also with Russ McBride
>>> within IST (who I worked with to create the AirBears app).  Russ
>>> programmed the app and had been testing it with 3.0 developer betas for
>>> the last few months with no problems.
>>>
>>> While the betas of 3.0 worked fine with the AirBears app, the final
>>> release is now behaving differently, which is a bit of a blindside for us.
>>>
>>> The new behavior is with the new feature, "Automatic WiFi Login", which
>>> isn't optional in this release.  As it currently operates it makes it
>>> impossible to stay associated to the AirBears WiFi network without using
>>> the web page captive portal page that pops up.
>>>
>>> It's essentially trying to do the same job as our app, but more
>>> generically and without the features/integration.  If you attempt to
>>> cancel this, it disassociates you from the wifi network, at which point
>>> the AirBears app can't function, as you're not on AirBears anymore.
>>>
>>> Given the restrictions that Apple has placed on us, it may prove
>>> difficult or impossible to elegantly solve this until they respond to
>>> our request for a means to turn off the feature or make it optional.
>>>
>>> Also, as previously announced, we are working on a new authentication
>>> system for AirBears, that *may* also solve this in a more permanent
>>> fashion, obviating the need for an app entirely.  The additional
>>> benefits there would be multiple platform support for other types of
>>> devices as well as overall simplicity.
>>>
>>> In the meantime, I have to apologize to the roughly 3000 users of the
>>> AirBears app.  We did our due diligence to see that it would work under
>>> the new iPhone 3.0 software, but Apple failed to be consistent between
>>> the beta and production software behavior on this feature.
>>>
>>> While the app is currently broken, and is likely to stay that way for
>>> some time, we will be working to resolve this and make AirBears more
>>> usable with devices such as the iPhone.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your patience as we strive to make the network better-
>>>
>>> -Jay
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jay Bryon
>>> Senior Network Engineer, U.C. Berkeley/IST/IS/NSO
>>> [hidden email]
>>> 2-5636
>>>
>>> "Any idiot can be complex, it takes real genius to be simple"
>>> -Al Einstein
>>>
>>> "Unfortunately, the gap between theory and practice is not as wide in theory as it is in practice."
>>> -Anonymous
>>>
>>> [Unless stated explicitly otherwise, all opinions are my own (or Al's) and do not represent official policy of any part of IST, U.C. Berkeley or the U.C. Regents.]  
>>>
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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

Kevin Sweeney-2
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On 12:37 Fri 03 Dec     , Ian Crew wrote:
> Yeah, that's where I run into being annoyed with Airbears most often, too.  Specifically, when I can't check mail (either automatically or manually) anymore. I then have to realize that it's not working, and that the reason is because the phone has locked onto AirBears, which causes the IMAP connection to stall until you switch from Mail to Safari, pick some random website to connect to, and authenticate.  A pain.
>
This is something that's been bothering me as well. The problem seems to
be that iOS devices do not detect that they are behind a captive portal
on AirBears. Interestingly though, in RSSP's deployment of extremely
similar captive portal software iOS properly detects that it is behind a
captive portal. This means launching anything that tries to connect to
the Internet like Mail or Pandora will pop us a little modal Mobile
Safari window and allow the user to authenticate.

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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

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The app on iTunes shows this person as the seller:

https://calnet.berkeley.edu/directory/details.pl?uid=884925



On Dec 4, 2010, at 9:41 PM, Yau-Man Chan wrote:

> Another vendor just showed up on the Apple Apps store to sell an AirBears specific login app
>
> http://applenerds.wordpress.com/2010/11/21/airbears-auto-login-app-released/
>
> Anyone know who these guys are?  It's not a generic Wifi login app like AutoWiFi but written specifically for our AirBears!
>
> Yau-Man
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 4, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Jay Bryon <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We haven't actively pursued an AirBears app, as it's not really the best
>> way available to deal with the login process currently.
>>
>> We have modified the system to allow a login to last for a week on the
>> same device/browser, regardless of platform.  While it still requires a
>> browser to re-initiate contact after being off network, this is a button
>> press instead of a login/password, so a big improvement.
>>
>> It also avoids a multi platform support and development effort which
>> would require a lot more resources.
>>
>> In the future I believe that we will find other platform agnostic
>> methods to further increase convenience without sacrificing security.
>>
>> Using an app utility, particularly ones not developed in concert with
>> IST, risks data and/or access security via caching authentication data.  
>> It also could be fooled via a rogue network into revealing login data.
>>
>> The AirBears app was designed to mitigate these issues and was developed
>> in partnership with the folks who run AirBears.  So generally I would
>> advise not to go there, but just login once a week.
>>
>> -Jay
>>
>> Ian Crew wrote:
>>> Hi Jay:
>>>
>>> Just stumbled across this old message, and wondered if anything ever happened with the AirBears app in the iOS 4.x world.  I still remember it fondly.  Any news?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>
>>> On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Jay Bryon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I've just finished discussions with Apple and also with Russ McBride
>>>> within IST (who I worked with to create the AirBears app).  Russ
>>>> programmed the app and had been testing it with 3.0 developer betas for
>>>> the last few months with no problems.
>>>>
>>>> While the betas of 3.0 worked fine with the AirBears app, the final
>>>> release is now behaving differently, which is a bit of a blindside for us.
>>>>
>>>> The new behavior is with the new feature, "Automatic WiFi Login", which
>>>> isn't optional in this release.  As it currently operates it makes it
>>>> impossible to stay associated to the AirBears WiFi network without using
>>>> the web page captive portal page that pops up.
>>>>
>>>> It's essentially trying to do the same job as our app, but more
>>>> generically and without the features/integration.  If you attempt to
>>>> cancel this, it disassociates you from the wifi network, at which point
>>>> the AirBears app can't function, as you're not on AirBears anymore.
>>>>
>>>> Given the restrictions that Apple has placed on us, it may prove
>>>> difficult or impossible to elegantly solve this until they respond to
>>>> our request for a means to turn off the feature or make it optional.
>>>>
>>>> Also, as previously announced, we are working on a new authentication
>>>> system for AirBears, that *may* also solve this in a more permanent
>>>> fashion, obviating the need for an app entirely.  The additional
>>>> benefits there would be multiple platform support for other types of
>>>> devices as well as overall simplicity.
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime, I have to apologize to the roughly 3000 users of the
>>>> AirBears app.  We did our due diligence to see that it would work under
>>>> the new iPhone 3.0 software, but Apple failed to be consistent between
>>>> the beta and production software behavior on this feature.
>>>>
>>>> While the app is currently broken, and is likely to stay that way for
>>>> some time, we will be working to resolve this and make AirBears more
>>>> usable with devices such as the iPhone.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your patience as we strive to make the network better-
>>>>
>>>> -Jay
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jay Bryon
>>>> Senior Network Engineer, U.C. Berkeley/IST/IS/NSO
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> 2-5636
>>>>
>>>> "Any idiot can be complex, it takes real genius to be simple"
>>>> -Al Einstein
>>>>
>>>> "Unfortunately, the gap between theory and practice is not as wide in theory as it is in practice."
>>>> -Anonymous
>>>>
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Re: [Micronet] [MAGNet] iPhone 3.0 update has broken the AirBears app.

Erik Klavon
In reply to this post by Ian Crew
On Sat, Dec 04, 2010 at 05:14:17PM -0800, Ian Crew wrote:
> Thanks! On my iPhone 4, it looks like the attached.  I can zoom out,
> and the overall design is great.  So, if we can figure out why Safari
> zooms in, it'll be perfect.
>
> I'll try to do a little googling tomorrow or Monday to try to figure it out.

Someone suggested off list using a meta tag by the name of "viewport",
helpfully passing along information a web developer had given them. I
played with the values in the provided example a bit. Please let me
know if this has improved the zoom for you.

Here's one article that discusses the viewport meta tag:

http://articles.sitepoint.com/article/iphone-development-12-tips 

Erik

 
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