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Re: [Micronet] UC Berkeley and UCSF Announce Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program

Greg Merritt
One word:

32-BIT WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM!!

Ok, that's more than one word.

Curiously, all of the listed Dell systems seem to come with that version of Windows.  Hopefully that's an error.

At least we have the to-be-funded-by-common-good-funding-model Windows 7 Enterprise licenses, so we can redo any of these Dells right out of the box without having to make a separate purchase...

-Greg



On Feb 29, 2012, at 6:02 PM, OEPO, Operational Excellence Program Office wrote:

> As part of the Operational Excellence programs at UC Berkeley and UCSF, we are pleased to announce that the two campuses have adopted a Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program. We wholeheartedly endorse this program as it reaffirms our commitment to the values of Operational Excellence by improving administrative efficiency while reducing expenses.
>
> The JACS Program establishes standard configurations and purchasing agreements for Windows and Apple personal computers that will provide our campuses with professional/business quality personal computers while achieving considerable cost and time savings. By establishing one set of standards, we will:
>
>> Lower the total cost of ownership for personal computers through standards-based volume purchasing.
>> Reduce administrative costs by streamlining the procurement process with our BearBuy e-procurement system.
>> Reduce device order-to-install cycle time.
>> Improve the customer experience by enabling IT to focus support on campus-defined standards and reduce user downtime.
>
> The JACS program is effective immediately for all staff computing purchases that do not involve the direct performance of academic research. When purchasing new computers departments are now required to select from the menu of Dell and Apple standards. Participation in the program by faculty will not be required; however, we believe that the value, efficiency and convenience of the program can benefit the entire faculty and staff community.
>
> JACS will result in annual procurement savings of close to $1M across UC Berkeley and UCSF and will be a key to enabling both campuses to achieve their OE goals. The initial standards were selected by a team of academic and administrative IT leaders and procurement specialists from UCSF and UC Berkeley. Standards were selected based on their current demand at both UCSF and UC Berkeley, as well as for their quality and ease of support. Recognizing the rapid evolution of technology and our needs, campus IT and procurement teams will meet quarterly to evaluate the program and current standards and to recommended updates.  
>
> To learn more about the Joint Administrative Computing Standardization program, including selected personal computer models, pricing, and purchasing procedures, please visit:
>
> http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/news_computers
>
> As part of Operational Excellence, the JACS program is helping to improve administrative operations that support academic excellence at UC Berkeley.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> John Wilton
> Vice Chancellor, Administration and Finance
>
> Shelton Waggener
> Associate Vice Chancellor & Chief Information Officer
>


 
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Re: [Micronet] UC Berkeley and UCSF Announce Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program

Burke Bundy
And my one word:

CENTRALIZATION

At first glance the systems themselves look a bit weak to me if they are
intended to be used for 3-5 years.

Burke

> One word:
>
> 32-BIT WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM!!
>
> Ok, that's more than one word.
>
> Curiously, all of the listed Dell systems seem to come with that version
> of Windows.  Hopefully that's an error.
>
> At least we have the to-be-funded-by-common-good-funding-model Windows 7
> Enterprise licenses, so we can redo any of these Dells right out of the
> box without having to make a separate purchase...
>
> -Greg
>
>
>
> On Feb 29, 2012, at 6:02 PM, OEPO, Operational Excellence Program Office
> wrote:
>
>> As part of the Operational Excellence programs at UC Berkeley and UCSF,
>> we are pleased to announce that the two campuses have adopted a Joint
>> Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program. We
>> wholeheartedly endorse this program as it reaffirms our commitment to
>> the values of Operational Excellence by improving administrative
>> efficiency while reducing expenses.
>>
>> The JACS Program establishes standard configurations and purchasing
>> agreements for Windows and Apple personal computers that will provide
>> our campuses with professional/business quality personal computers while
>> achieving considerable cost and time savings. By establishing one set of
>> standards, we will:
>>
>>> Lower the total cost of ownership for personal computers through
>>> standards-based volume purchasing.
>>> Reduce administrative costs by streamlining the procurement process
>>> with our BearBuy e-procurement system.
>>> Reduce device order-to-install cycle time.
>>> Improve the customer experience by enabling IT to focus support on
>>> campus-defined standards and reduce user downtime.
>>
>> The JACS program is effective immediately for all staff computing
>> purchases that do not involve the direct performance of academic
>> research. When purchasing new computers departments are now required to
>> select from the menu of Dell and Apple standards. Participation in the
>> program by faculty will not be required; however, we believe that the
>> value, efficiency and convenience of the program can benefit the entire
>> faculty and staff community.
>>
>> JACS will result in annual procurement savings of close to $1M across UC
>> Berkeley and UCSF and will be a key to enabling both campuses to achieve
>> their OE goals. The initial standards were selected by a team of
>> academic and administrative IT leaders and procurement specialists from
>> UCSF and UC Berkeley. Standards were selected based on their current
>> demand at both UCSF and UC Berkeley, as well as for their quality and
>> ease of support. Recognizing the rapid evolution of technology and our
>> needs, campus IT and procurement teams will meet quarterly to evaluate
>> the program and current standards and to recommended updates.
>>
>> To learn more about the Joint Administrative Computing Standardization
>> program, including selected personal computer models, pricing, and
>> purchasing procedures, please visit:
>>
>> http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/news_computers
>>
>> As part of Operational Excellence, the JACS program is helping to
>> improve administrative operations that support academic excellence at UC
>> Berkeley.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> John Wilton
>> Vice Chancellor, Administration and Finance
>>
>> Shelton Waggener
>> Associate Vice Chancellor & Chief Information Officer
>>
>
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Re: [Micronet] UC Berkeley and UCSF Announce Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program

Greg Merritt
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...and, at first look, the Macs look like they match the standard educational discount, with no additional price break.

Is the savings in the simplification of the ordering process?  (I'm not trivializing -- I'm serious.)

-Greg
 
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Re: [Micronet] UC Berkeley and UCSF Announce Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program

Burke Bundy
In reply to this post by Greg Merritt
I think a crucial detail about the JACS is where the decision-making lies
regarding the "direct performance of academic research".  From
http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/news_computers:

"The JACS program is for all staff computing purchases that do not involve
the direct performance of academic research."

Who has that decision-making authority?  Each PI?  Department chairs?
Deans?  OCIO?

As is often the case, the devil is in the details...

Burke


> One word:
>
> 32-BIT WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM!!
>
> Ok, that's more than one word.
>
> Curiously, all of the listed Dell systems seem to come with that version
> of Windows.  Hopefully that's an error.
>
> At least we have the to-be-funded-by-common-good-funding-model Windows 7
> Enterprise licenses, so we can redo any of these Dells right out of the
> box without having to make a separate purchase...
>
> -Greg
>
>
>
> On Feb 29, 2012, at 6:02 PM, OEPO, Operational Excellence Program Office
> wrote:
>
>> As part of the Operational Excellence programs at UC Berkeley and UCSF,
>> we are pleased to announce that the two campuses have adopted a Joint
>> Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program. We
>> wholeheartedly endorse this program as it reaffirms our commitment to
>> the values of Operational Excellence by improving administrative
>> efficiency while reducing expenses.
>>
>> The JACS Program establishes standard configurations and purchasing
>> agreements for Windows and Apple personal computers that will provide
>> our campuses with professional/business quality personal computers while
>> achieving considerable cost and time savings. By establishing one set of
>> standards, we will:
>>
>>> Lower the total cost of ownership for personal computers through
>>> standards-based volume purchasing.
>>> Reduce administrative costs by streamlining the procurement process
>>> with our BearBuy e-procurement system.
>>> Reduce device order-to-install cycle time.
>>> Improve the customer experience by enabling IT to focus support on
>>> campus-defined standards and reduce user downtime.
>>
>> The JACS program is effective immediately for all staff computing
>> purchases that do not involve the direct performance of academic
>> research. When purchasing new computers departments are now required to
>> select from the menu of Dell and Apple standards. Participation in the
>> program by faculty will not be required; however, we believe that the
>> value, efficiency and convenience of the program can benefit the entire
>> faculty and staff community.
>>
>> JACS will result in annual procurement savings of close to $1M across UC
>> Berkeley and UCSF and will be a key to enabling both campuses to achieve
>> their OE goals. The initial standards were selected by a team of
>> academic and administrative IT leaders and procurement specialists from
>> UCSF and UC Berkeley. Standards were selected based on their current
>> demand at both UCSF and UC Berkeley, as well as for their quality and
>> ease of support. Recognizing the rapid evolution of technology and our
>> needs, campus IT and procurement teams will meet quarterly to evaluate
>> the program and current standards and to recommended updates.
>>
>> To learn more about the Joint Administrative Computing Standardization
>> program, including selected personal computer models, pricing, and
>> purchasing procedures, please visit:
>>
>> http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/news_computers
>>
>> As part of Operational Excellence, the JACS program is helping to
>> improve administrative operations that support academic excellence at UC
>> Berkeley.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> John Wilton
>> Vice Chancellor, Administration and Finance
>>
>> Shelton Waggener
>> Associate Vice Chancellor & Chief Information Officer
>>
>
>
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Re: [Micronet] UC Berkeley and UCSF Announce Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program

Guy D. VINSON
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The standards for the windows boxes strike me as a bit of a joke... if you are going to have to upgrade the operating system right out of the gate why even bother. I know from experience in our college that a i3 or even a i5 processor is not going to make anyone very happy when they are stuck with them for the next three years. Also 4GB of ram is what I would suggest for a light user these days. And these are prices for the box, no keyboard, no mouse, and no monitor... ha


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College of Environmental Design
510-842-7199




On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Greg Merritt <[hidden email]> wrote:
One word:

32-BIT WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM!!

Ok, that's more than one word.

Curiously, all of the listed Dell systems seem to come with that version of Windows.  Hopefully that's an error.

At least we have the to-be-funded-by-common-good-funding-model Windows 7 Enterprise licenses, so we can redo any of these Dells right out of the box without having to make a separate purchase...

-Greg



On Feb 29, 2012, at 6:02 PM, OEPO, Operational Excellence Program Office wrote:

> As part of the Operational Excellence programs at UC Berkeley and UCSF, we are pleased to announce that the two campuses have adopted a Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program. We wholeheartedly endorse this program as it reaffirms our commitment to the values of Operational Excellence by improving administrative efficiency while reducing expenses.
>
> The JACS Program establishes standard configurations and purchasing agreements for Windows and Apple personal computers that will provide our campuses with professional/business quality personal computers while achieving considerable cost and time savings. By establishing one set of standards, we will:
>
>> Lower the total cost of ownership for personal computers through standards-based volume purchasing.
>> Reduce administrative costs by streamlining the procurement process with our BearBuy e-procurement system.
>> Reduce device order-to-install cycle time.
>> Improve the customer experience by enabling IT to focus support on campus-defined standards and reduce user downtime.
>
> The JACS program is effective immediately for all staff computing purchases that do not involve the direct performance of academic research. When purchasing new computers departments are now required to select from the menu of Dell and Apple standards. Participation in the program by faculty will not be required; however, we believe that the value, efficiency and convenience of the program can benefit the entire faculty and staff community.
>
> JACS will result in annual procurement savings of close to $1M across UC Berkeley and UCSF and will be a key to enabling both campuses to achieve their OE goals. The initial standards were selected by a team of academic and administrative IT leaders and procurement specialists from UCSF and UC Berkeley. Standards were selected based on their current demand at both UCSF and UC Berkeley, as well as for their quality and ease of support. Recognizing the rapid evolution of technology and our needs, campus IT and procurement teams will meet quarterly to evaluate the program and current standards and to recommended updates.
>
> To learn more about the Joint Administrative Computing Standardization program, including selected personal computer models, pricing, and purchasing procedures, please visit:
>
> http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/news_computers
>
> As part of Operational Excellence, the JACS program is helping to improve administrative operations that support academic excellence at UC Berkeley.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> John Wilton
> Vice Chancellor, Administration and Finance
>
> Shelton Waggener
> Associate Vice Chancellor & Chief Information Officer
>



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Re: [Micronet] UC Berkeley and UCSF Announce Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program

tedcrum
In reply to this post by Greg Merritt
The availability of machines pre-loaded with Windows Professional and
provided with full restore media and accurate driver distributions
has always justified the otherwise excessive prices of the
UC-contract Dell computers. Imaging is not a good choice in our environment.

Also, I consider the only intrinsically secure OS re-installation to
be from factory-pressed optical media, not a cd-r or a download.

If I have to buy Windows Home, I might as well by from Dell's retail
site and get nicer computers for much less money. Thank the dog I
have a large stash of Dell OEM Win 7 pro disks; too bad about the
driver hassles.


Strategic sourcing in a nutshell: http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2010-11-25/ .

-tc


 
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Re: [Micronet] UC Berkeley and UCSF Announce Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program

Rune Stromsness
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On 01-Mar-12 09:33, Burke Bundy wrote:

> I think a crucial detail about the JACS is where the decision-making lies
> regarding the "direct performance of academic research".  From
> http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/news_computers:
>
> "The JACS program is for all staff computing purchases that do not involve
> the direct performance of academic research."
>
> Who has that decision-making authority?  Each PI?  Department chairs?
> Deans?  OCIO?
>
> As is often the case, the devil is in the details...
The site is also very vague about what is exactly covered -- it says:

] The JACS program is for all staff computing purchases that do not
involve the direct performance of academic research.

One could interpret "staff computing purchases" in a huge number of
ways, many of which don't make much sense given the other details of the
program.  (Does it include tablets, phones, Unix-like systems, servers,
infrastructure, SCADA, etc., etc., etc.?)

Clarification on what is meant by that statement, or pointers to the
actual policy and/or delegation of authority changes that implement this
program would be helpful to fully understand it.

Rune

> Burke
>
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Re: [Micronet] UC Berkeley and UCSF Announce Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program

Graham Patterson
I suppose the argument is if it is going to come under shared services
IT support or not. Academic research is going to be outside of the SS-IT
remit, and you can do your own thing.

I predict a lot of people are going to be doing 'research' all of a sudden!

Graham

On 3/1/12 10:20 AM, Rune Stromsness wrote:

> On 01-Mar-12 09:33, Burke Bundy wrote:
>> I think a crucial detail about the JACS is where the decision-making lies
>> regarding the "direct performance of academic research".  From
>> http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/news_computers:
>>
>> "The JACS program is for all staff computing purchases that do not involve
>> the direct performance of academic research."
>>
>> Who has that decision-making authority?  Each PI?  Department chairs?
>> Deans?  OCIO?
>>
>> As is often the case, the devil is in the details...
>
> The site is also very vague about what is exactly covered -- it says:
>
> ] The JACS program is for all staff computing purchases that do not
> involve the direct performance of academic research.
>
> One could interpret "staff computing purchases" in a huge number of
> ways, many of which don't make much sense given the other details of the
> program.  (Does it include tablets, phones, Unix-like systems, servers,
> infrastructure, SCADA, etc., etc., etc.?)
>
> Clarification on what is meant by that statement, or pointers to the
> actual policy and/or delegation of authority changes that implement this
> program would be helpful to fully understand it.
>
> Rune
>
>> Burke
>>
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Re: [Micronet] UC Berkeley and UCSF Announce Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program

Aaron DuBois
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In the 4 years of computer buying i have done in my dept. i have not
once picked a pre-made system for UCB.
Just 5 min of shopping on the dell(Premier) site has always provided a
better deal.
Either in reduced costs or in a shifting of what the money is spent on
from silly frills, like built in multi-slot card readers,  to actually
used hardware like HDD, RAM, and CPU.

I note recent changes on the dell "Premier" site that seriously limit
the ability to configure custom systems anymore.
As such i can no longer make sure that the money is being spent in a way
that maximizes value of the purchase for the job it's going to do.

To have the ability to tailor a system to the job it's being bought
for(fully customizable) now i have to just go directly to the normal
dell website.


hear is a quick compare i made.


A UCB pre-made

Intel® Core™ i3 2120 Processor (3.3GHz, 3M)
4GB DDR3 Non-ECC SDRAM,1333MHz, (1 DIMM)
250GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s and 8MB
8X Slimline DVD+/-RW, Roxio Creator™
AND A 512 MB VIDEO CARD???(you need this for MS Office?)
$582.83

as seen here
http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/sites/businessservices.berkeley.edu/files/content/Optiplex390Spec.pdf



One i customized at the normal dell website

Intel® Core™ i5 2400 Processor (3.1GHz, 6M)
4GB DDR3 Non-ECC SDRAM,1333MHz, (1 DIMM)
500GB 3.5” SATA 3.0Gb/s and 16MB
16X DVD-ROM SATA,
+ KB&M
ON BOARD VIDEO(just fine for most desktop work needs)
$549.00



I guess when a faculty asks me to help them not waste their research
grant money when making a computer purchase i can use the normal dell
site, but when i am spending the department's money on administrative
staff systems...

       


On 3/1/2012 10:11 AM, guy vinson wrote:

> The standards for the windows boxes strike me as a bit of a joke... if
> you are going to have to upgrade the operating system right out of the
> gate why even bother. I know from experience in our college that a i3 or
> even a i5 processor is not going to make anyone very happy when they are
> stuck with them for the next three years. Also 4GB of ram is what I
> would suggest for a light user these days. And these are prices for the
> box, no keyboard, no mouse, and no monitor... ha
>
>
> ---
> Guy Vinson
> Infrastructure & IT
> College of Environmental Design
> 510-842-7199
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Greg Merritt <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     One word:
>
>     32-BIT WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM!!
>
>     Ok, that's more than one word.
>
>     Curiously, all of the listed Dell systems seem to come with that
>     version of Windows.  Hopefully that's an error.
>
>     At least we have the to-be-funded-by-common-good-funding-model
>     Windows 7 Enterprise licenses, so we can redo any of these Dells
>     right out of the box without having to make a separate purchase...
>
>     -Greg
>
>
>
>     On Feb 29, 2012, at 6:02 PM, OEPO, Operational Excellence Program
>     Office wrote:
>
>      > As part of the Operational Excellence programs at UC Berkeley and
>     UCSF, we are pleased to announce that the two campuses have adopted
>     a Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program. We
>     wholeheartedly endorse this program as it reaffirms our commitment
>     to the values of Operational Excellence by improving administrative
>     efficiency while reducing expenses.
>      >
>      > The JACS Program establishes standard configurations and
>     purchasing agreements for Windows and Apple personal computers that
>     will provide our campuses with professional/business quality
>     personal computers while achieving considerable cost and time
>     savings. By establishing one set of standards, we will:
>      >
>      >> Lower the total cost of ownership for personal computers through
>     standards-based volume purchasing.
>      >> Reduce administrative costs by streamlining the procurement
>     process with our BearBuy e-procurement system.
>      >> Reduce device order-to-install cycle time.
>      >> Improve the customer experience by enabling IT to focus support
>     on campus-defined standards and reduce user downtime.
>      >
>      > The JACS program is effective immediately for all staff computing
>     purchases that do not involve the direct performance of academic
>     research. When purchasing new computers departments are now required
>     to select from the menu of Dell and Apple standards. Participation
>     in the program by faculty will not be required; however, we believe
>     that the value, efficiency and convenience of the program can
>     benefit the entire faculty and staff community.
>      >
>      > JACS will result in annual procurement savings of close to $1M
>     across UC Berkeley and UCSF and will be a key to enabling both
>     campuses to achieve their OE goals. The initial standards were
>     selected by a team of academic and administrative IT leaders and
>     procurement specialists from UCSF and UC Berkeley. Standards were
>     selected based on their current demand at both UCSF and UC Berkeley,
>     as well as for their quality and ease of support. Recognizing the
>     rapid evolution of technology and our needs, campus IT and
>     procurement teams will meet quarterly to evaluate the program and
>     current standards and to recommended updates.
>      >
>      > To learn more about the Joint Administrative Computing
>     Standardization program, including selected personal computer
>     models, pricing, and purchasing procedures, please visit:
>      >
>      > http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/news_computers
>      >
>      > As part of Operational Excellence, the JACS program is helping to
>     improve administrative operations that support academic excellence
>     at UC Berkeley.
>      >
>      > Sincerely,
>      >
>      > John Wilton
>      > Vice Chancellor, Administration and Finance
>      >
>      > Shelton Waggener
>      > Associate Vice Chancellor & Chief Information Officer
>      >
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Re: [Micronet] UC Berkeley and UCSF Announce Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program

Jon Johnsen
Or use outlet.dell.com, especially during the 10-20% off sales.

Jon Johnsen
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On 3/1/2012 11:40 AM, Aaron DuBois wrote:

> In the 4 years of computer buying i have done in my dept. i have not
> once picked a pre-made system for UCB.
> Just 5 min of shopping on the dell(Premier) site has always provided a
> better deal.
> Either in reduced costs or in a shifting of what the money is spent on
> from silly frills, like built in multi-slot card readers,  to actually
> used hardware like HDD, RAM, and CPU.
>
> I note recent changes on the dell "Premier" site that seriously limit
> the ability to configure custom systems anymore.
> As such i can no longer make sure that the money is being spent in a way
> that maximizes value of the purchase for the job it's going to do.
>
> To have the ability to tailor a system to the job it's being bought
> for(fully customizable) now i have to just go directly to the normal
> dell website.
>
>
> hear is a quick compare i made.
>
>
> A UCB pre-made
>
> Intel® Core™ i3 2120 Processor (3.3GHz, 3M)
> 4GB DDR3 Non-ECC SDRAM,1333MHz, (1 DIMM)
> 250GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s and 8MB
> 8X Slimline DVD+/-RW, Roxio Creator™
> AND A 512 MB VIDEO CARD???(you need this for MS Office?)
> $582.83
>
> as seen here
> http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/sites/businessservices.berkeley.edu/files/content/Optiplex390Spec.pdf
>
>
>
> One i customized at the normal dell website
>
> Intel® Core™ i5 2400 Processor (3.1GHz, 6M)
> 4GB DDR3 Non-ECC SDRAM,1333MHz, (1 DIMM)
> 500GB 3.5” SATA 3.0Gb/s and 16MB
> 16X DVD-ROM SATA,
> + KB&M
> ON BOARD VIDEO(just fine for most desktop work needs)
> $549.00
>
>
>
> I guess when a faculty asks me to help them not waste their research
> grant money when making a computer purchase i can use the normal dell
> site, but when i am spending the department's money on administrative
> staff systems...
>
>
>
>
> On 3/1/2012 10:11 AM, guy vinson wrote:
>> The standards for the windows boxes strike me as a bit of a joke... if
>> you are going to have to upgrade the operating system right out of the
>> gate why even bother. I know from experience in our college that a i3 or
>> even a i5 processor is not going to make anyone very happy when they are
>> stuck with them for the next three years. Also 4GB of ram is what I
>> would suggest for a light user these days. And these are prices for the
>> box, no keyboard, no mouse, and no monitor... ha
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Guy Vinson
>> Infrastructure&  IT
>> College of Environmental Design
>> 510-842-7199
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Greg Merritt<[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>>  wrote:
>>
>>      One word:
>>
>>      32-BIT WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM!!
>>
>>      Ok, that's more than one word.
>>
>>      Curiously, all of the listed Dell systems seem to come with that
>>      version of Windows.  Hopefully that's an error.
>>
>>      At least we have the to-be-funded-by-common-good-funding-model
>>      Windows 7 Enterprise licenses, so we can redo any of these Dells
>>      right out of the box without having to make a separate purchase...
>>
>>      -Greg
>>
>>
>>
>>      On Feb 29, 2012, at 6:02 PM, OEPO, Operational Excellence Program
>>      Office wrote:
>>
>>       >  As part of the Operational Excellence programs at UC Berkeley and
>>      UCSF, we are pleased to announce that the two campuses have adopted
>>      a Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program. We
>>      wholeheartedly endorse this program as it reaffirms our commitment
>>      to the values of Operational Excellence by improving administrative
>>      efficiency while reducing expenses.
>>       >
>>       >  The JACS Program establishes standard configurations and
>>      purchasing agreements for Windows and Apple personal computers that
>>      will provide our campuses with professional/business quality
>>      personal computers while achieving considerable cost and time
>>      savings. By establishing one set of standards, we will:
>>       >
>>       >>  Lower the total cost of ownership for personal computers through
>>      standards-based volume purchasing.
>>       >>  Reduce administrative costs by streamlining the procurement
>>      process with our BearBuy e-procurement system.
>>       >>  Reduce device order-to-install cycle time.
>>       >>  Improve the customer experience by enabling IT to focus support
>>      on campus-defined standards and reduce user downtime.
>>       >
>>       >  The JACS program is effective immediately for all staff computing
>>      purchases that do not involve the direct performance of academic
>>      research. When purchasing new computers departments are now required
>>      to select from the menu of Dell and Apple standards. Participation
>>      in the program by faculty will not be required; however, we believe
>>      that the value, efficiency and convenience of the program can
>>      benefit the entire faculty and staff community.
>>       >
>>       >  JACS will result in annual procurement savings of close to $1M
>>      across UC Berkeley and UCSF and will be a key to enabling both
>>      campuses to achieve their OE goals. The initial standards were
>>      selected by a team of academic and administrative IT leaders and
>>      procurement specialists from UCSF and UC Berkeley. Standards were
>>      selected based on their current demand at both UCSF and UC Berkeley,
>>      as well as for their quality and ease of support. Recognizing the
>>      rapid evolution of technology and our needs, campus IT and
>>      procurement teams will meet quarterly to evaluate the program and
>>      current standards and to recommended updates.
>>       >
>>       >  To learn more about the Joint Administrative Computing
>>      Standardization program, including selected personal computer
>>      models, pricing, and purchasing procedures, please visit:
>>       >
>>       >  http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/news_computers
>>       >
>>       >  As part of Operational Excellence, the JACS program is helping to
>>      improve administrative operations that support academic excellence
>>      at UC Berkeley.
>>       >
>>       >  Sincerely,
>>       >
>>       >  John Wilton
>>       >  Vice Chancellor, Administration and Finance
>>       >
>>       >  Shelton Waggener
>>       >  Associate Vice Chancellor&  Chief Information Officer
>>       >
>>
>>
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Re: [Micronet] UC Berkeley and UCSF Announce Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program

Burke Bundy
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I think Graham has it right on this one.  As I understand the new JACS:

When a faculty member asks for a new system, local research IT support
staff will have the flexibility to select a customized system for the
faculty member, at least for now.  Time will tell if that flexibility is
eventually diminished in the name of OE, etc.

Everything to do with "staff only" computers will be handled by Shared
Services and/or Central Campus going forward.  I don't believe current
campus leadership envisions a future scenario where local research IT
support staff will have anything to do with the procurement or support of
administrative staff systems.

So if one is a local research IT support staff member you may still be
called upon to assist a faculty member in not wasting their research grant
money.  But I don't think you would be involved in the "not wasting" of
the department's money for administrative staff systems.  And as I
understand the future of IT on campus, there will little to no
"non-research" local IT support.


Burke


> In the 4 years of computer buying i have done in my dept. i have not
> once picked a pre-made system for UCB.
> Just 5 min of shopping on the dell(Premier) site has always provided a
> better deal.
> Either in reduced costs or in a shifting of what the money is spent on
> from silly frills, like built in multi-slot card readers,  to actually
> used hardware like HDD, RAM, and CPU.
>
> I note recent changes on the dell "Premier" site that seriously limit
> the ability to configure custom systems anymore.
> As such i can no longer make sure that the money is being spent in a way
> that maximizes value of the purchase for the job it's going to do.
>
> To have the ability to tailor a system to the job it's being bought
> for(fully customizable) now i have to just go directly to the normal
> dell website.
>
>
> hear is a quick compare i made.
>
>
> A UCB pre-made
>
> Intel® Core™ i3 2120 Processor (3.3GHz, 3M)
> 4GB DDR3 Non-ECC SDRAM,1333MHz, (1 DIMM)
> 250GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s and 8MB
> 8X Slimline DVD+/-RW, Roxio Creator™
> AND A 512 MB VIDEO CARD???(you need this for MS Office?)
> $582.83
>
> as seen here
> http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/sites/businessservices.berkeley.edu/files/content/Optiplex390Spec.pdf
>
>
>
> One i customized at the normal dell website
>
> Intel® Core™ i5 2400 Processor (3.1GHz, 6M)
> 4GB DDR3 Non-ECC SDRAM,1333MHz, (1 DIMM)
> 500GB 3.5” SATA 3.0Gb/s and 16MB
> 16X DVD-ROM SATA,
> + KB&M
> ON BOARD VIDEO(just fine for most desktop work needs)
> $549.00
>
>
>
> I guess when a faculty asks me to help them not waste their research
> grant money when making a computer purchase i can use the normal dell
> site, but when i am spending the department's money on administrative
> staff systems...
>
>
>
>
> On 3/1/2012 10:11 AM, guy vinson wrote:
>> The standards for the windows boxes strike me as a bit of a joke... if
>> you are going to have to upgrade the operating system right out of the
>> gate why even bother. I know from experience in our college that a i3 or
>> even a i5 processor is not going to make anyone very happy when they are
>> stuck with them for the next three years. Also 4GB of ram is what I
>> would suggest for a light user these days. And these are prices for the
>> box, no keyboard, no mouse, and no monitor... ha
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Guy Vinson
>> Infrastructure & IT
>> College of Environmental Design
>> 510-842-7199
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Greg Merritt <[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>>     One word:
>>
>>     32-BIT WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM!!
>>
>>     Ok, that's more than one word.
>>
>>     Curiously, all of the listed Dell systems seem to come with that
>>     version of Windows.  Hopefully that's an error.
>>
>>     At least we have the to-be-funded-by-common-good-funding-model
>>     Windows 7 Enterprise licenses, so we can redo any of these Dells
>>     right out of the box without having to make a separate purchase...
>>
>>     -Greg
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Feb 29, 2012, at 6:02 PM, OEPO, Operational Excellence Program
>>     Office wrote:
>>
>>      > As part of the Operational Excellence programs at UC Berkeley and
>>     UCSF, we are pleased to announce that the two campuses have adopted
>>     a Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program. We
>>     wholeheartedly endorse this program as it reaffirms our commitment
>>     to the values of Operational Excellence by improving administrative
>>     efficiency while reducing expenses.
>>      >
>>      > The JACS Program establishes standard configurations and
>>     purchasing agreements for Windows and Apple personal computers that
>>     will provide our campuses with professional/business quality
>>     personal computers while achieving considerable cost and time
>>     savings. By establishing one set of standards, we will:
>>      >
>>      >> Lower the total cost of ownership for personal computers through
>>     standards-based volume purchasing.
>>      >> Reduce administrative costs by streamlining the procurement
>>     process with our BearBuy e-procurement system.
>>      >> Reduce device order-to-install cycle time.
>>      >> Improve the customer experience by enabling IT to focus support
>>     on campus-defined standards and reduce user downtime.
>>      >
>>      > The JACS program is effective immediately for all staff computing
>>     purchases that do not involve the direct performance of academic
>>     research. When purchasing new computers departments are now required
>>     to select from the menu of Dell and Apple standards. Participation
>>     in the program by faculty will not be required; however, we believe
>>     that the value, efficiency and convenience of the program can
>>     benefit the entire faculty and staff community.
>>      >
>>      > JACS will result in annual procurement savings of close to $1M
>>     across UC Berkeley and UCSF and will be a key to enabling both
>>     campuses to achieve their OE goals. The initial standards were
>>     selected by a team of academic and administrative IT leaders and
>>     procurement specialists from UCSF and UC Berkeley. Standards were
>>     selected based on their current demand at both UCSF and UC Berkeley,
>>     as well as for their quality and ease of support. Recognizing the
>>     rapid evolution of technology and our needs, campus IT and
>>     procurement teams will meet quarterly to evaluate the program and
>>     current standards and to recommended updates.
>>      >
>>      > To learn more about the Joint Administrative Computing
>>     Standardization program, including selected personal computer
>>     models, pricing, and purchasing procedures, please visit:
>>      >
>>      > http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/news_computers
>>      >
>>      > As part of Operational Excellence, the JACS program is helping to
>>     improve administrative operations that support academic excellence
>>     at UC Berkeley.
>>      >
>>      > Sincerely,
>>      >
>>      > John Wilton
>>      > Vice Chancellor, Administration and Finance
>>      >
>>      > Shelton Waggener
>>      > Associate Vice Chancellor & Chief Information Officer
>>      >
>>
>>
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> 489 Barrows Hall
> Mon-Fri 8:30-2:30
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Re: [Micronet] UC Berkeley and UCSF Announce Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program

Seth Novogrodsky
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On 3/1/2012 11:40 AM, Aaron DuBois wrote:
> I note recent changes on the dell "Premier" site that seriously limit
> the ability to configure custom systems anymore.
> As such i can no longer make sure that the money is being spent in a way
> that maximizes value of the purchase for the job it's going to do.
Regarding the Premier site, you can still have access to the full Dell
catalog (though not the Inspiron line).  Just click on the Systems tab
and select the product line you are interested in.  You can still create
a custom configuration (though you will only be able to order custom
configurations for faculty, apparently).

Seth

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Re: [Micronet] UC Berkeley and UCSF Announce Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program

Graham Patterson
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At the moment we have the cart, and are happily (?) loading it up, but
the equines have yet to arrive. The SS-IT/ResearchIT split is going to
be interesting.

Graham

On 3/1/12 11:55 AM, Burke Bundy wrote:

> I think Graham has it right on this one.  As I understand the new JACS:
>
> When a faculty member asks for a new system, local research IT support
> staff will have the flexibility to select a customized system for the
> faculty member, at least for now.  Time will tell if that flexibility is
> eventually diminished in the name of OE, etc.
>
> Everything to do with "staff only" computers will be handled by Shared
> Services and/or Central Campus going forward.  I don't believe current
> campus leadership envisions a future scenario where local research IT
> support staff will have anything to do with the procurement or support of
> administrative staff systems.
>
> So if one is a local research IT support staff member you may still be
> called upon to assist a faculty member in not wasting their research grant
> money.  But I don't think you would be involved in the "not wasting" of
> the department's money for administrative staff systems.  And as I
> understand the future of IT on campus, there will little to no
> "non-research" local IT support.
>
>
> Burke
>
>
>> In the 4 years of computer buying i have done in my dept. i have not
>> once picked a pre-made system for UCB.
>> Just 5 min of shopping on the dell(Premier) site has always provided a
>> better deal.
>> Either in reduced costs or in a shifting of what the money is spent on
>> from silly frills, like built in multi-slot card readers,  to actually
>> used hardware like HDD, RAM, and CPU.
>>
>> I note recent changes on the dell "Premier" site that seriously limit
>> the ability to configure custom systems anymore.
>> As such i can no longer make sure that the money is being spent in a way
>> that maximizes value of the purchase for the job it's going to do.
>>
>> To have the ability to tailor a system to the job it's being bought
>> for(fully customizable) now i have to just go directly to the normal
>> dell website.
>>
>>
>> hear is a quick compare i made.
>>
>>
>> A UCB pre-made
>>
>> Intel® Core™ i3 2120 Processor (3.3GHz, 3M)
>> 4GB DDR3 Non-ECC SDRAM,1333MHz, (1 DIMM)
>> 250GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s and 8MB
>> 8X Slimline DVD+/-RW, Roxio Creator™
>> AND A 512 MB VIDEO CARD???(you need this for MS Office?)
>> $582.83
>>
>> as seen here
>> http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/sites/businessservices.berkeley.edu/files/content/Optiplex390Spec.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> One i customized at the normal dell website
>>
>> Intel® Core™ i5 2400 Processor (3.1GHz, 6M)
>> 4GB DDR3 Non-ECC SDRAM,1333MHz, (1 DIMM)
>> 500GB 3.5” SATA 3.0Gb/s and 16MB
>> 16X DVD-ROM SATA,
>> + KB&M
>> ON BOARD VIDEO(just fine for most desktop work needs)
>> $549.00
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess when a faculty asks me to help them not waste their research
>> grant money when making a computer purchase i can use the normal dell
>> site, but when i am spending the department's money on administrative
>> staff systems...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/2012 10:11 AM, guy vinson wrote:
>>> The standards for the windows boxes strike me as a bit of a joke... if
>>> you are going to have to upgrade the operating system right out of the
>>> gate why even bother. I know from experience in our college that a i3 or
>>> even a i5 processor is not going to make anyone very happy when they are
>>> stuck with them for the next three years. Also 4GB of ram is what I
>>> would suggest for a light user these days. And these are prices for the
>>> box, no keyboard, no mouse, and no monitor... ha
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Guy Vinson
>>> Infrastructure&  IT
>>> College of Environmental Design
>>> 510-842-7199
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Greg Merritt<[hidden email]
>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>      One word:
>>>
>>>      32-BIT WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM!!
>>>
>>>      Ok, that's more than one word.
>>>
>>>      Curiously, all of the listed Dell systems seem to come with that
>>>      version of Windows.  Hopefully that's an error.
>>>
>>>      At least we have the to-be-funded-by-common-good-funding-model
>>>      Windows 7 Enterprise licenses, so we can redo any of these Dells
>>>      right out of the box without having to make a separate purchase...
>>>
>>>      -Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      On Feb 29, 2012, at 6:02 PM, OEPO, Operational Excellence Program
>>>      Office wrote:
>>>
>>>       >  As part of the Operational Excellence programs at UC Berkeley and
>>>      UCSF, we are pleased to announce that the two campuses have adopted
>>>      a Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program. We
>>>      wholeheartedly endorse this program as it reaffirms our commitment
>>>      to the values of Operational Excellence by improving administrative
>>>      efficiency while reducing expenses.
>>>       >
>>>       >  The JACS Program establishes standard configurations and
>>>      purchasing agreements for Windows and Apple personal computers that
>>>      will provide our campuses with professional/business quality
>>>      personal computers while achieving considerable cost and time
>>>      savings. By establishing one set of standards, we will:
>>>       >
>>>       >>  Lower the total cost of ownership for personal computers through
>>>      standards-based volume purchasing.
>>>       >>  Reduce administrative costs by streamlining the procurement
>>>      process with our BearBuy e-procurement system.
>>>       >>  Reduce device order-to-install cycle time.
>>>       >>  Improve the customer experience by enabling IT to focus support
>>>      on campus-defined standards and reduce user downtime.
>>>       >
>>>       >  The JACS program is effective immediately for all staff computing
>>>      purchases that do not involve the direct performance of academic
>>>      research. When purchasing new computers departments are now required
>>>      to select from the menu of Dell and Apple standards. Participation
>>>      in the program by faculty will not be required; however, we believe
>>>      that the value, efficiency and convenience of the program can
>>>      benefit the entire faculty and staff community.
>>>       >
>>>       >  JACS will result in annual procurement savings of close to $1M
>>>      across UC Berkeley and UCSF and will be a key to enabling both
>>>      campuses to achieve their OE goals. The initial standards were
>>>      selected by a team of academic and administrative IT leaders and
>>>      procurement specialists from UCSF and UC Berkeley. Standards were
>>>      selected based on their current demand at both UCSF and UC Berkeley,
>>>      as well as for their quality and ease of support. Recognizing the
>>>      rapid evolution of technology and our needs, campus IT and
>>>      procurement teams will meet quarterly to evaluate the program and
>>>      current standards and to recommended updates.
>>>       >
>>>       >  To learn more about the Joint Administrative Computing
>>>      Standardization program, including selected personal computer
>>>      models, pricing, and purchasing procedures, please visit:
>>>       >
>>>       >  http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/news_computers
>>>       >
>>>       >  As part of Operational Excellence, the JACS program is helping to
>>>      improve administrative operations that support academic excellence
>>>      at UC Berkeley.
>>>       >
>>>       >  Sincerely,
>>>       >
>>>       >  John Wilton
>>>       >  Vice Chancellor, Administration and Finance
>>>       >
>>>       >  Shelton Waggener
>>>       >  Associate Vice Chancellor&  Chief Information Officer
>>>       >
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Micronet] UC Berkeley and UCSF Announce Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program

Greg Merritt
Hmm...if a contracts and grants manager has a several-year-old, wimpy computer running a home OS, I suspect one could easily argue that this might "involve the direct performance of academic research," especially if it impedes processing of research grant applications.

("Sorry, we missed the deadline on that $9M grant, but we sure saved $52 in administrative costs when we purchased that flakey computer!")

-Greg


On Mar 1, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Graham Patterson wrote:

>
> At the moment we have the cart, and are happily (?) loading it up, but
> the equines have yet to arrive. The SS-IT/ResearchIT split is going to
> be interesting.
>
> Graham
>
> On 3/1/12 11:55 AM, Burke Bundy wrote:
>> I think Graham has it right on this one.  As I understand the new JACS:
>>
>> When a faculty member asks for a new system, local research IT support
>> staff will have the flexibility to select a customized system for the
>> faculty member, at least for now.  Time will tell if that flexibility is
>> eventually diminished in the name of OE, etc.
>>
>> Everything to do with "staff only" computers will be handled by Shared
>> Services and/or Central Campus going forward.  I don't believe current
>> campus leadership envisions a future scenario where local research IT
>> support staff will have anything to do with the procurement or support of
>> administrative staff systems.
>>
>> So if one is a local research IT support staff member you may still be
>> called upon to assist a faculty member in not wasting their research grant
>> money.  But I don't think you would be involved in the "not wasting" of
>> the department's money for administrative staff systems.  And as I
>> understand the future of IT on campus, there will little to no
>> "non-research" local IT support.
>>
>>
>> Burke
>>
>>
>>> In the 4 years of computer buying i have done in my dept. i have not
>>> once picked a pre-made system for UCB.
>>> Just 5 min of shopping on the dell(Premier) site has always provided a
>>> better deal.
>>> Either in reduced costs or in a shifting of what the money is spent on
>>> from silly frills, like built in multi-slot card readers,  to actually
>>> used hardware like HDD, RAM, and CPU.
>>>
>>> I note recent changes on the dell "Premier" site that seriously limit
>>> the ability to configure custom systems anymore.
>>> As such i can no longer make sure that the money is being spent in a way
>>> that maximizes value of the purchase for the job it's going to do.
>>>
>>> To have the ability to tailor a system to the job it's being bought
>>> for(fully customizable) now i have to just go directly to the normal
>>> dell website.
>>>
>>>
>>> hear is a quick compare i made.
>>>
>>>
>>> A UCB pre-made
>>>
>>> Intel® Core™ i3 2120 Processor (3.3GHz, 3M)
>>> 4GB DDR3 Non-ECC SDRAM,1333MHz, (1 DIMM)
>>> 250GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s and 8MB
>>> 8X Slimline DVD+/-RW, Roxio Creator™
>>> AND A 512 MB VIDEO CARD???(you need this for MS Office?)
>>> $582.83
>>>
>>> as seen here
>>> http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/sites/businessservices.berkeley.edu/files/content/Optiplex390Spec.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One i customized at the normal dell website
>>>
>>> Intel® Core™ i5 2400 Processor (3.1GHz, 6M)
>>> 4GB DDR3 Non-ECC SDRAM,1333MHz, (1 DIMM)
>>> 500GB 3.5” SATA 3.0Gb/s and 16MB
>>> 16X DVD-ROM SATA,
>>> + KB&M
>>> ON BOARD VIDEO(just fine for most desktop work needs)
>>> $549.00
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I guess when a faculty asks me to help them not waste their research
>>> grant money when making a computer purchase i can use the normal dell
>>> site, but when i am spending the department's money on administrative
>>> staff systems...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/1/2012 10:11 AM, guy vinson wrote:
>>>> The standards for the windows boxes strike me as a bit of a joke... if
>>>> you are going to have to upgrade the operating system right out of the
>>>> gate why even bother. I know from experience in our college that a i3 or
>>>> even a i5 processor is not going to make anyone very happy when they are
>>>> stuck with them for the next three years. Also 4GB of ram is what I
>>>> would suggest for a light user these days. And these are prices for the
>>>> box, no keyboard, no mouse, and no monitor... ha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Guy Vinson
>>>> Infrastructure&  IT
>>>> College of Environmental Design
>>>> 510-842-7199
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Greg Merritt<[hidden email]
>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     One word:
>>>>
>>>>     32-BIT WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM!!
>>>>
>>>>     Ok, that's more than one word.
>>>>
>>>>     Curiously, all of the listed Dell systems seem to come with that
>>>>     version of Windows.  Hopefully that's an error.
>>>>
>>>>     At least we have the to-be-funded-by-common-good-funding-model
>>>>     Windows 7 Enterprise licenses, so we can redo any of these Dells
>>>>     right out of the box without having to make a separate purchase...
>>>>
>>>>     -Greg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On Feb 29, 2012, at 6:02 PM, OEPO, Operational Excellence Program
>>>>     Office wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As part of the Operational Excellence programs at UC Berkeley and
>>>>     UCSF, we are pleased to announce that the two campuses have adopted
>>>>     a Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program. We
>>>>     wholeheartedly endorse this program as it reaffirms our commitment
>>>>     to the values of Operational Excellence by improving administrative
>>>>     efficiency while reducing expenses.
>>>>>
>>>>> The JACS Program establishes standard configurations and
>>>>     purchasing agreements for Windows and Apple personal computers that
>>>>     will provide our campuses with professional/business quality
>>>>     personal computers while achieving considerable cost and time
>>>>     savings. By establishing one set of standards, we will:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lower the total cost of ownership for personal computers through
>>>>     standards-based volume purchasing.
>>>>>> Reduce administrative costs by streamlining the procurement
>>>>     process with our BearBuy e-procurement system.
>>>>>> Reduce device order-to-install cycle time.
>>>>>> Improve the customer experience by enabling IT to focus support
>>>>     on campus-defined standards and reduce user downtime.
>>>>>
>>>>> The JACS program is effective immediately for all staff computing
>>>>     purchases that do not involve the direct performance of academic
>>>>     research. When purchasing new computers departments are now required
>>>>     to select from the menu of Dell and Apple standards. Participation
>>>>     in the program by faculty will not be required; however, we believe
>>>>     that the value, efficiency and convenience of the program can
>>>>     benefit the entire faculty and staff community.
>>>>>
>>>>> JACS will result in annual procurement savings of close to $1M
>>>>     across UC Berkeley and UCSF and will be a key to enabling both
>>>>     campuses to achieve their OE goals. The initial standards were
>>>>     selected by a team of academic and administrative IT leaders and
>>>>     procurement specialists from UCSF and UC Berkeley. Standards were
>>>>     selected based on their current demand at both UCSF and UC Berkeley,
>>>>     as well as for their quality and ease of support. Recognizing the
>>>>     rapid evolution of technology and our needs, campus IT and
>>>>     procurement teams will meet quarterly to evaluate the program and
>>>>     current standards and to recommended updates.
>>>>>
>>>>> To learn more about the Joint Administrative Computing
>>>>     Standardization program, including selected personal computer
>>>>     models, pricing, and purchasing procedures, please visit:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/news_computers
>>>>>
>>>>> As part of Operational Excellence, the JACS program is helping to
>>>>     improve administrative operations that support academic excellence
>>>>     at UC Berkeley.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> John Wilton
>>>>> Vice Chancellor, Administration and Finance
>>>>>
>>>>> Shelton Waggener
>>>>> Associate Vice Chancellor&  Chief Information Officer
>>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [Micronet] UC Berkeley and UCSF Announce Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program

Burke Bundy
Agreed.  But argue to whom?  And who has the responsibility (right?) to
argue?

As for your example of the missed grant deadline please see the last frame
of the Dilbert strip Ted posted earlier:

http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2010-11-25/

(Somehow I suspect I would have found that comic far more amusing two days
ago).

Burke


> Hmm...if a contracts and grants manager has a several-year-old, wimpy
> computer running a home OS, I suspect one could easily argue that this
> might "involve the direct performance of academic research," especially if
> it impedes processing of research grant applications.
>
> ("Sorry, we missed the deadline on that $9M grant, but we sure saved $52
> in administrative costs when we purchased that flakey computer!")
>
> -Greg
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Graham Patterson wrote:
>
>>
>> At the moment we have the cart, and are happily (?) loading it up, but
>> the equines have yet to arrive. The SS-IT/ResearchIT split is going to
>> be interesting.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> On 3/1/12 11:55 AM, Burke Bundy wrote:
>>> I think Graham has it right on this one.  As I understand the new JACS:
>>>
>>> When a faculty member asks for a new system, local research IT support
>>> staff will have the flexibility to select a customized system for the
>>> faculty member, at least for now.  Time will tell if that flexibility
>>> is
>>> eventually diminished in the name of OE, etc.
>>>
>>> Everything to do with "staff only" computers will be handled by Shared
>>> Services and/or Central Campus going forward.  I don't believe current
>>> campus leadership envisions a future scenario where local research IT
>>> support staff will have anything to do with the procurement or support
>>> of
>>> administrative staff systems.
>>>
>>> So if one is a local research IT support staff member you may still be
>>> called upon to assist a faculty member in not wasting their research
>>> grant
>>> money.  But I don't think you would be involved in the "not wasting" of
>>> the department's money for administrative staff systems.  And as I
>>> understand the future of IT on campus, there will little to no
>>> "non-research" local IT support.
>>>
>>>
>>> Burke
>>>
>>>
>>>> In the 4 years of computer buying i have done in my dept. i have not
>>>> once picked a pre-made system for UCB.
>>>> Just 5 min of shopping on the dell(Premier) site has always provided a
>>>> better deal.
>>>> Either in reduced costs or in a shifting of what the money is spent on
>>>> from silly frills, like built in multi-slot card readers,  to actually
>>>> used hardware like HDD, RAM, and CPU.
>>>>
>>>> I note recent changes on the dell "Premier" site that seriously limit
>>>> the ability to configure custom systems anymore.
>>>> As such i can no longer make sure that the money is being spent in a
>>>> way
>>>> that maximizes value of the purchase for the job it's going to do.
>>>>
>>>> To have the ability to tailor a system to the job it's being bought
>>>> for(fully customizable) now i have to just go directly to the normal
>>>> dell website.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hear is a quick compare i made.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A UCB pre-made
>>>>
>>>> Intel® Core™ i3 2120 Processor (3.3GHz, 3M)
>>>> 4GB DDR3 Non-ECC SDRAM,1333MHz, (1 DIMM)
>>>> 250GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s and 8MB
>>>> 8X Slimline DVD+/-RW, Roxio Creator™
>>>> AND A 512 MB VIDEO CARD???(you need this for MS Office?)
>>>> $582.83
>>>>
>>>> as seen here
>>>> http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/sites/businessservices.berkeley.edu/files/content/Optiplex390Spec.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One i customized at the normal dell website
>>>>
>>>> Intel® Core™ i5 2400 Processor (3.1GHz, 6M)
>>>> 4GB DDR3 Non-ECC SDRAM,1333MHz, (1 DIMM)
>>>> 500GB 3.5” SATA 3.0Gb/s and 16MB
>>>> 16X DVD-ROM SATA,
>>>> + KB&M
>>>> ON BOARD VIDEO(just fine for most desktop work needs)
>>>> $549.00
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess when a faculty asks me to help them not waste their research
>>>> grant money when making a computer purchase i can use the normal dell
>>>> site, but when i am spending the department's money on administrative
>>>> staff systems...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/1/2012 10:11 AM, guy vinson wrote:
>>>>> The standards for the windows boxes strike me as a bit of a joke...
>>>>> if
>>>>> you are going to have to upgrade the operating system right out of
>>>>> the
>>>>> gate why even bother. I know from experience in our college that a i3
>>>>> or
>>>>> even a i5 processor is not going to make anyone very happy when they
>>>>> are
>>>>> stuck with them for the next three years. Also 4GB of ram is what I
>>>>> would suggest for a light user these days. And these are prices for
>>>>> the
>>>>> box, no keyboard, no mouse, and no monitor... ha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Guy Vinson
>>>>> Infrastructure&  IT
>>>>> College of Environmental Design
>>>>> 510-842-7199
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Greg Merritt<[hidden email]
>>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     One word:
>>>>>
>>>>>     32-BIT WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM!!
>>>>>
>>>>>     Ok, that's more than one word.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Curiously, all of the listed Dell systems seem to come with that
>>>>>     version of Windows.  Hopefully that's an error.
>>>>>
>>>>>     At least we have the to-be-funded-by-common-good-funding-model
>>>>>     Windows 7 Enterprise licenses, so we can redo any of these Dells
>>>>>     right out of the box without having to make a separate
>>>>> purchase...
>>>>>
>>>>>     -Greg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On Feb 29, 2012, at 6:02 PM, OEPO, Operational Excellence Program
>>>>>     Office wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As part of the Operational Excellence programs at UC Berkeley and
>>>>>     UCSF, we are pleased to announce that the two campuses have
>>>>> adopted
>>>>>     a Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program.
>>>>> We
>>>>>     wholeheartedly endorse this program as it reaffirms our
>>>>> commitment
>>>>>     to the values of Operational Excellence by improving
>>>>> administrative
>>>>>     efficiency while reducing expenses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The JACS Program establishes standard configurations and
>>>>>     purchasing agreements for Windows and Apple personal computers
>>>>> that
>>>>>     will provide our campuses with professional/business quality
>>>>>     personal computers while achieving considerable cost and time
>>>>>     savings. By establishing one set of standards, we will:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lower the total cost of ownership for personal computers through
>>>>>     standards-based volume purchasing.
>>>>>>> Reduce administrative costs by streamlining the procurement
>>>>>     process with our BearBuy e-procurement system.
>>>>>>> Reduce device order-to-install cycle time.
>>>>>>> Improve the customer experience by enabling IT to focus support
>>>>>     on campus-defined standards and reduce user downtime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The JACS program is effective immediately for all staff computing
>>>>>     purchases that do not involve the direct performance of academic
>>>>>     research. When purchasing new computers departments are now
>>>>> required
>>>>>     to select from the menu of Dell and Apple standards.
>>>>> Participation
>>>>>     in the program by faculty will not be required; however, we
>>>>> believe
>>>>>     that the value, efficiency and convenience of the program can
>>>>>     benefit the entire faculty and staff community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JACS will result in annual procurement savings of close to $1M
>>>>>     across UC Berkeley and UCSF and will be a key to enabling both
>>>>>     campuses to achieve their OE goals. The initial standards were
>>>>>     selected by a team of academic and administrative IT leaders and
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Re: [Micronet] UC Berkeley and UCSF Announce Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program

Burke Bundy
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I think it would be quite informative to hear some of the details of the
selection process from Sian and Yau-Man.  I assume they are the "academic
and administrative IT leaders" referenced on
http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/news_computers:

"How were standards selected?
A team composed of academic and administrative IT leaders and procurement
specialists from UCB and UCSF met to review and select initial standards
from the options available in the latest system-wide agreements. Standards
were chosen based on their current adoption on both campuses, relevance to
the needs of the user community, quality and ease of support."

Thanks,
Burke


> The standards for the windows boxes strike me as a bit of a joke... if you
> are going to have to upgrade the operating system right out of the gate
> why
> even bother. I know from experience in our college that a i3 or even a i5
> processor is not going to make anyone very happy when they are stuck with
> them for the next three years. Also 4GB of ram is what I would suggest for
> a light user these days. And these are prices for the box, no keyboard, no
> mouse, and no monitor... ha
>
>
> ---
> Guy Vinson
> Infrastructure & IT
> College of Environmental Design
> 510-842-7199
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Greg Merritt <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> One word:
>>
>> 32-BIT WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM!!
>>
>> Ok, that's more than one word.
>>
>> Curiously, all of the listed Dell systems seem to come with that version
>> of Windows.  Hopefully that's an error.
>>
>> At least we have the to-be-funded-by-common-good-funding-model Windows 7
>> Enterprise licenses, so we can redo any of these Dells right out of the
>> box
>> without having to make a separate purchase...
>>
>> -Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 29, 2012, at 6:02 PM, OEPO, Operational Excellence Program Office
>> wrote:
>>
>> > As part of the Operational Excellence programs at UC Berkeley and
>> UCSF,
>> we are pleased to announce that the two campuses have adopted a Joint
>> Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program. We
>> wholeheartedly
>> endorse this program as it reaffirms our commitment to the values of
>> Operational Excellence by improving administrative efficiency while
>> reducing expenses.
>> >
>> > The JACS Program establishes standard configurations and purchasing
>> agreements for Windows and Apple personal computers that will provide
>> our
>> campuses with professional/business quality personal computers while
>> achieving considerable cost and time savings. By establishing one set of
>> standards, we will:
>> >
>> >> Lower the total cost of ownership for personal computers through
>> standards-based volume purchasing.
>> >> Reduce administrative costs by streamlining the procurement process
>> with our BearBuy e-procurement system.
>> >> Reduce device order-to-install cycle time.
>> >> Improve the customer experience by enabling IT to focus support on
>> campus-defined standards and reduce user downtime.
>> >
>> > The JACS program is effective immediately for all staff computing
>> purchases that do not involve the direct performance of academic
>> research.
>> When purchasing new computers departments are now required to select
>> from
>> the menu of Dell and Apple standards. Participation in the program by
>> faculty will not be required; however, we believe that the value,
>> efficiency and convenience of the program can benefit the entire faculty
>> and staff community.
>> >
>> > JACS will result in annual procurement savings of close to $1M across
>> UC
>> Berkeley and UCSF and will be a key to enabling both campuses to achieve
>> their OE goals. The initial standards were selected by a team of
>> academic
>> and administrative IT leaders and procurement specialists from UCSF and
>> UC
>> Berkeley. Standards were selected based on their current demand at both
>> UCSF and UC Berkeley, as well as for their quality and ease of support.
>> Recognizing the rapid evolution of technology and our needs, campus IT
>> and
>> procurement teams will meet quarterly to evaluate the program and
>> current
>> standards and to recommended updates.
>> >
>> > To learn more about the Joint Administrative Computing Standardization
>> program, including selected personal computer models, pricing, and
>> purchasing procedures, please visit:
>> >
>> > http://businessservices.berkeley.edu/news_computers
>> >
>> > As part of Operational Excellence, the JACS program is helping to
>> improve administrative operations that support academic excellence at UC
>> Berkeley.
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> >
>> > John Wilton
>> > Vice Chancellor, Administration and Finance
>> >
>> > Shelton Waggener
>> > Associate Vice Chancellor & Chief Information Officer
>> >
>>
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Re: [Micronet] UC Berkeley and UCSF Announce Joint Administrative Computing Standardization (JACS) Program

Guy D. VINSON
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Can any one explain where the money savings is in purchasing these Dell boxes running Windows Home premium is? Out the gate they will need to be upgraded to at least Windows professional if you have any desire to connect to a domain or use Group Policies or support more than 4GB of memory, is IS&T going to be doing the upgrade? I would have liked to have seen some upgrade options in the contract and at least something other than Windows 7 home.
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College of Environmental Design
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On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Ted Crum <[hidden email]> wrote:
The availability of machines pre-loaded with Windows Professional and
provided with full restore media and accurate driver distributions
has always justified the otherwise excessive prices of the
UC-contract Dell computers. Imaging is not a good choice in our environment.

Also, I consider the only intrinsically secure OS re-installation to
be from factory-pressed optical media, not a cd-r or a download.

If I have to buy Windows Home, I might as well by from Dell's retail
site and get nicer computers for much less money. Thank the dog I
have a large stash of Dell OEM Win 7 pro disks; too bad about the
driver hassles.


Strategic sourcing in a nutshell: http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2010-11-25/ .

-tc



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